I think Pre-Teenage is a legit guideline for Records. You move to whatever country as a Pre-Teen and you're eligible to set National Records, any time later you're "NE" (Non-Eligible).
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I think Pre-Teenage is a legit guideline for Records. You move to whatever country as a Pre-Teen and you're eligible to set National Records, any time later you're "NE" (Non-Eligible).
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Why stop at US African American Records?
Italian American?
Irish American?
Polish American?
Japanese American?
German American?
There are many "Other" Americans out there......Not just African Americans.
Just Sayin'...
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Seneca Lassiter ran 3:54. That’s pretty solid.
CoachB wrote:
Seneca Lassiter ran 3:54. That’s pretty solid.
and it was indoor
kirubel Erassa ran 3:38 I think
The first under 4:00 was Byron Dyce.
Oh, and it was MAL Whitfield. The guy had five OG medals, with three of them gold--let's get his name right.
I think Reggie McAfee was one of the first - a talented runner - I trained with him on occasion - did 2 X 2 miles in 8:55 - hung in there with him on the first one - a bit off on the second. I don't think he was in any way in his top shape.
4:20.93 by Regina Jacobs, unfortunately.
BUTTHOLE SURFER wrote:
Why stop at US African American Records?
Italian American?
Irish American?
Polish American?
Japanese American?
German American?
There are many "Other" Americans out there......Not just African Americans.
Just Sayin'...
"Go Run One"
What's the UK African-American record?
Non-Jacobs: 4:25.77, Diana Richburg.
2020s wrote:
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US born probably Steve Holman. 3:53.31.
Borrowed time until Nuguse gets better.
Started running competitively as a sophomore in high school, then runs 3:55 as a 20 year-old. Yeah, I'd say he has a good chance.
If I recall correctly, when Kevin Johnson (ETSU alumn) ran 3:53 in the early 80s he was considered to be the fastest African American miler before Sydney Marree became a us citizen.
not to forget:
April 27, 1974 - Denis Elton Cochran Fikes
Denis Fikes representing the University of Penn runs a 3:55.0 mile in the 1974 Penn Relays’ to place second to Tony Waldrop in the Ben Franklin Mile. This performance was the fastest mile ever by an African American. He would hold the distinction of being the fastest African American miler ever for an amazeing 18 years.
let's don't exaggerate wrote:
black African immigrants ... wrote:
I am sure there were very few black African immigrants before 1965 in U.S.. Prior to President L.B.J., U.S. had legal Apartheid. Law enforcement was indifferent at best and participate too often in lynchings of blacks prior to President L.B. J. I cannot imagine blacks in Africa prior to 1965 even considering a vacation in U.S. African-American usually implies one has family roots in U.S, prior to 1965 and most likely prior to 1865 with sub-Saharan black African heritage.
Mel Whitfield had two choices: 1) Do less sprint training, run more miles and chase sub-4 mile;
2) run for his country, earn two 800m gold medals, one 400m bronze, one 4 x 400m gold and one 4 x 400m silver. Training for one mile could have meant Whitfield would have raced sub-4 mile with no Olympic medals like Roger Bannister. It was better for U.S. for Whitfield to be a 400/800 man; it may a have been better for Whitfield to race sub-4 mile before Bannister.
It wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. If America was that rotten, then why did Obama's father then come over here to live and study in 1959?
The gist of your post is your dislike of my post. You did not dispute Apartheid against U.S. blacks, from 1865 to 1965. I did not state the number of lynchings and murders of U.S. blacks from 1865 to 1965 so you have no basis to state I exaggerated lynchings and murder of U.S. blacks from 1865 to 1965. Your argument is Barack Hussein Obama Sr. decided to move briefly to U.S. You failed to state, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. decided to return to Africa.
rstjj wrote:
The first under 4:00 was Byron Dyce.
Oh, and it was MAL Whitfield. The guy had five OG medals, with three of them gold--let's get his name right.
Mal said back then you ran the events you were told to run. Hs said he was not necessarily interested in running the mile and didn't train for it, but he would have run if that's what his coach wanted him to do. He said if he had known running sub-4 was going to be such a big deal, he probably would have trained for. Running the 880 was somewhat of an anomaly for Black athletes and the guys who ran the mile at the top level were rare. He said, he good natural endurance and in 1953, around the time he set the record in 1,000 would have been the time to take a shot at it. I asked him if he could have run sub-4, he said he knew he was capable of running close to it off of just his 880 training, but training for the mile would have been at the expense of the 440. - I met Mr. Whitfield at a National Urban Ledge event many years ago.
something wrong here wrote:
I think Reggie McAfee was one of the first - a talented runner - I trained with him on occasion - did 2 X 2 miles in 8:55 - hung in there with him on the first one - a bit off on the second. I don't think he was in any way in his top shape.
Indeed McAfee was the first African-American (i.e. US black runner) to break 4. It was on April 21, 1973. I am not sure who the first black runner to break 4 was. Filbert Bayi, Kip Keino come to mind. One thread said “The first under 4:00 was Byron Dyce.” Not sure what poster meant since the thread was asking about African Americans. I looked him up and he was Jamaican. I found four sub 4’s for him. The first was 5/16/71.
The first sub-4 I found for Kip Keino (KEN) was 8/30/65. The first sub-4 I found for Flibert Bayi (TAN) was 7/2/73.
It’s hard to find the first black sub-4 on an internet search. Maybe it was Keino in 1965. But the first African American was McAfee in 1973.
One thing I learned from this thread -- Johnny Gray apparently rarely (ever?) raced the mile.
Have to think a 1:42 guy could crack 3:50 with a few focused workouts...and also his best standalone 400 was 50.2??
https://www.worldathletics.org/athletes/united-states/johnny-gray-14239204
black African immigrants ... wrote:
I am sure there were very few black African immigrants before 1965 in U.S.. Prior to President L.B.J., U.S. had legal Apartheid. Law enforcement was indifferent at best and participate too often in lynchings of blacks prior to President L.B. J. I cannot imagine blacks in Africa prior to 1965 even considering a vacation in U.S. African-American usually implies one has family roots in U.S, prior to 1965 and most likely prior to 1865 with sub-Saharan black African heritage.
Mel Whitfield had two choices: 1) Do less sprint training, run more miles and chase sub-4 mile;
2) run for his country, earn two 800m gold medals, one 400m bronze, one 4 x 400m gold and one 4 x 400m silver. Training for one mile could have meant Whitfield would have raced sub-4 mile with no Olympic medals like Roger Bannister. It was better for U.S. for Whitfield to be a 400/800 man; it may a have been better for Whitfield to race sub-4 mile before Bannister.
There were plenty of black African immigrants before 1965. It's just that they didn't exactly come over here on their own volition....
ScottEvil wrote:
One thing I learned from this thread -- Johnny Gray apparently rarely (ever?) raced the mile.
Have to think a 1:42 guy could crack 3:50 with a few focused workouts...and also his best standalone 400 was 50.2??
https://www.worldathletics.org/athletes/united-states/johnny-gray-14239204
His PRs were 3:42.43 1500 and 46.3 at 400
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