Joe Gray has won the ascent a few times. Who cares about the marathon record, the ascent is where its at. No one has cracked sub 2. Would love to see kipchoge take this on, as the magic bounce shoes wont help him here.
Joe Gray has won the ascent a few times. Who cares about the marathon record, the ascent is where its at. No one has cracked sub 2. Would love to see kipchoge take this on, as the magic bounce shoes wont help him here.
And did he ever get drug tested even once ?
Not operating in events of a true sports federation and doubt WADA even looks at these long distance events
Noelleon wrote:
You gotta put that into perspective. Of course a 2:15 Marathon is impressive (for us hobby joggers), but if Jornet is the ultimate Mountain Ultra Runner or whatever that is called and he is supposedly capable of a 2:12 - 2:15 Marathon, it makes you wonder, what a top runner (2:05 or better) could do on the Ultra Mountain or whatever distance could achieve.
I believe he would be better than Jornet, but we will probably never know, cause the money is in the Marathon. And one final thing, who is running 26plus miles anyway? That is stupid and for people with no purpose in life.
Of course, you will find this opinion only here on Letsrun and I love it!
If Kipchoge is the ultimate Marathon GOAT or whatever that is called and he is supposedly capable of a 12.5 100m, it makes you wonder, what a top runner (sub 10s) could do on the Marathon or whatever distance could achieve.
Kilian is probably one of the most heavily tested athletes in MUT running because of skimo. I believe others have addressed this before.
RDP wrote:
Kilian is probably one of the most heavily tested athletes in MUT running because of skimo. I believe others have addressed this before.
People here will rather ignore this simple fact and point at Greg Vollet getting a 3 month ban, 20 years ago.
The amount of people that hold this opinion is incredible. Killian is the goat of ultra but he would not be anywhere near Kipchoge on a course like Pikes Peak. When Mo Farah won Chicago in 2:05 Kipchoge said that was a tactical race. When Mo Farah moved back down to the track Bekele roared with laughter. If you are 10+ minutes behind the best marathon runners you are not impressive in that discipline on the world stage. The Spanish record is sub 2:07 so a 2:11-12 would not be anything even for Spain. He is still the best trail ultra guy there is and seemed like a nice person to boot I'm a fan of his but stop with the idiocy.
Eeeeh, no. This is just stupidity.
Oh Please wrote:
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Does UTMB have any prize money at all? If so, then it will attract dopers. And like I said, anything prestigious will attract dopers regardless, just for the recognition of "winning it" or doing well.
I think UTMB race director has a vision of what he thinks trail running should be, and runs his race accordingly, as he has every right to do. But does that
Wha?
Impala31 wrote:
MJ was the GOAT basketball player, and was pretty average baseball player.
Marathoning and MUT are different sports.
Kilian can absolutely be the MUT GOAT and an average marathoner. Killian makes his money because he is good at running up mountains and on steep technical trails, marathoners don't have to do that.
1st The analogy between Basketball/baseball and marathon/mountain races is poor.
Last two are way more similar than first two even though it requires differents abilities it is long distance running in both case.
2nd, the claim is that KJ is "the running Goat", (which only a fanboy can believe) not the "mountain races goat".[/quote]
So who are you saying is the running goat? Kipchoge? His PR would just barely be in the 20 in just the last year in the 1500. A far more important distance than the marathon. The 1500/mile is the gold standard for "runners". Even Josh Kerr is faster. No way in the world is Kipchoge the GOAT either. Stop the BS.
San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:a rare occurance to see him do a standardized distance on non trail course
https://www.strava.com/activities/3576852310
I have my doubts that many of these elite athletes (Kilian among them) put in anything resembling a time trial effort.
He ran 21k "tempo" at that pace in training, so it could be his marathon pace with training and a good prep, I didn't do the math but he should be pretty quick. Anyway, he's nowhere near the distance running goat, I think if we want to talk about range, Geb is the guy.
Halvard wrote:
He ran 21k "tempo" at that pace in training, so it could be his marathon pace with training and a good prep, I didn't do the math but he should be pretty quick. Anyway, he's nowhere near the distance running goat, I think if we want to talk about range, Geb is the guy.
Geb sucked (relatively) at cross country.
As a guy that's placed Top 10, the only issue with Pike's Peak is the altitude. Not the terrain and not the climb. It's 100% altitude. If you can't handle altitude above 10,000ft. you won't run well. This is why I think someone like Kipchoge would crush it because he lives and trains at altitude like Matt Carpenter and Joe Grey.
What interesting is that kilian is connected to the doper Greg Vollet who recieved 2 sanctions during his career. Greg has been working with Quartz anti doping which is a private organization. They also work with Kilian i saw. Something just smells fishy about them. Also, Kilian didn't run 32 for his supposed 1st 10.5 K time trial. He didn't run as fast as he thought he could so he made up a story to wow his fanboys. If you follow him, he often attempts to create these outlandish stats and times but never has proof i.e. He never summitted everest for the fkt, just read the reports. He claims he ran like 15 flat 5k reps but never proved it with data. He talked about his 400 rep workout recently but no data. He doesn't have the ability to run what he tells the public but dopes up to run awesome in races. Most dopers have this same pattern, making up lies about workouts they've done. Tell me I'm lying... just look at every busted dopers IG posts prior to being busted.
knownnewz wrote:
What interesting is that kilian is connected to the doper Greg Vollet who recieved 2 sanctions during his career. Greg has been working with Quartz anti doping which is a private organization. They also work with Kilian i saw. Something just smells fishy about them. Also, Kilian didn't run 32 for his supposed 1st 10.5 K time trial. He didn't run as fast as he thought he could so he made up a story to wow his fanboys. If you follow him, he often attempts to create these outlandish stats and times but never has proof i.e. He never summitted everest for the fkt, just read the reports. He claims he ran like 15 flat 5k reps but never proved it with data. He talked about his 400 rep workout recently but no data. He doesn't have the ability to run what he tells the public but dopes up to run awesome in races. Most dopers have this same pattern, making up lies about workouts they've done. Tell me I'm lying... just look at every busted dopers IG posts prior to being busted.
Lol your worried about his times in practice. Sad.
He wins on race day, not in practice
Chasing3 wrote:
Rumours he's planning to do the Valencia marathon this year, a fast and flat course. Based on his recent runs, and with a few months of specific flat pavement training, he's surely in line to break 2:10
Truly the running GOAT
Lol I almost spat out my drink. Thanks for the laughs!
Halvard wrote:
He ran 21k "tempo" at that pace in training, so it could be his marathon pace with training and a good prep, I didn't do the math but he should be pretty quick. Anyway, he's nowhere near the distance running goat, I think if we want to talk about range, Geb is the guy.
Are you kidding? It's Bekele.
Cross Country? Check
Track? Check
Road? Check
Mountain ultras are very different than road or track. Have any letsrun ppl run a technical mountain race before? It's very different than a road marathon.
Part of it is also based on skill. Kilian also won a gnarly 5km mountain race in Alaska...very technical and very steep. Not the kind of race many of our track heroes would attempt or do well at, given their lack of skill in technical running (Google Mount Marathon).
I believe it's possible to say that Eliud is the goat for road marathons and Kilian is the goat for mountain ultras. The two are very different disciplines. It's all good. While it's interesting to think of how one might fare in the other's discipline, I personally don't think either have anything to prove to anyone....other than scoring clean on doping tests ;). Kilian doesn't care about what you think about his road speed or lack thereof, Eliud laughs at your assertion that he can run up a mountain better than mountain runners.
best downhiller ever wrote:
Please. Killian would at worst put 15 minutes in to him on the downhill.
why do you assume this? petro mamu is almost as fast as kilian in the downhill sections of sierre zinal or limone extreme
Trail marathons wrote:
So who are you saying is the running goat? Kipchoge? His PR would just barely be in the 20 in just the last year in the 1500. A far more important distance than the marathon. The 1500/mile is the gold standard for "runners". Even Josh Kerr is faster. No way in the world is Kipchoge the GOAT either. Stop the BS.
Bekele is the goat of distance running
12'37, 26,17, 2h01.
19 times Olympic or world champion (including XC).
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