a rare occurance to see him do a standardized distance on non trail course
a rare occurance to see him do a standardized distance on non trail course
Not too bad, 21k fun tempo run for him in about 64 mins.
Clearly he has a lot more in the tank on the flat if he ever needed it.
Rumours he's planning to do the Valencia marathon this year, a fast and flat course. Based on his recent runs, and with a few months of specific flat pavement training, he's surely in line to break 2:10
Truly the running GOAT
Chasing3 wrote:
Rumours he's planning to do the Valencia marathon this year, a fast and flat course. Based on his recent runs, and with a few months of specific flat pavement training, he's surely in line to break 2:10
Truly the running GOAT
That's what you guys also said about Jim Walmsley and look at what happened.
GOAT? Kipchoge and a continent of other East Africans want a word with you.
I agree. I'm much more impressed with his wife breath of talent from vertical KMs to long mountain races to skimo to the road. Beats any one truck pony that can run a mile in under 4 but couldn't come in top 5 in UTMB.
They have a lifetime of experience and dedicated training on the roads, and they might only finish 6 or 7 minutes ahead of Kilian on his road marathon debut. Put them against him at the Pikes Peak marathon or Mont Blanc marathon and Kilian will be at least half an hour ahead of them, if they even finish.
GOAT
allegedly timed on a allegedly measured course
get back to us if he ever does a legitimate time on a legitimate course with legitimate competition, we won't be waiting up
Also important to point out that he was wearing some clunky Salomon shoes for this rapid run, imagine if he had Vaporflys! Have to knock another few minutes off his predicted marathon time in that case. I'd say a conservative estimate of 2:07
Chasing3 wrote:
They have a lifetime of experience and dedicated training on the roads, and they might only finish 6 or 7 minutes ahead of Kilian on his road marathon debut. Put them against him at the Pikes Peak marathon or Mont Blanc marathon and Kilian will be at least half an hour ahead of them, if they even finish.
GOAT
That's exactly what you guys said about Walmsley! And then he cratered in the marathon
Walmsley Historian wrote:
That's exactly what you guys said about Walmsley! And then he cratered in the marathon
I must have missed something. I thought Walmsley finished ahead of 150+ of american best marathoners, guys who are all faster than you (and me obviously - but the difference between us is that I acknowledge being slow and am perfectly OK with it).
hobby trail jogger wrote:
Walmsley Historian wrote:
That's exactly what you guys said about Walmsley! And then he cratered in the marathon
I must have missed something. I thought Walmsley finished ahead of 150+ of american best marathoners, guys who are all faster than you (and me obviously - but the difference between us is that I acknowledge being slow and am perfectly OK with it).
Walmsley finished 22nd, that's 21 places behind the front. That is not GOAT despite what all you Walmsley fanbois were hyping it up to be.
Walmsley Historian wrote:
hobby trail jogger wrote:
I must have missed something. I thought Walmsley finished ahead of 150+ of american best marathoners, guys who are all faster than you (and me obviously - but the difference between us is that I acknowledge being slow and am perfectly OK with it).
Walmsley finished 22nd, that's 21 places behind the front. That is not GOAT despite what all you Walmsley fanbois were hyping it up to be.
If Eliud Kipchoge moved down to the 200m and finished 21st in the USA you would be calling him the GOAT
As someone who finished about 11 minutes behind Kilian at last year's Pikes Peak Marathon (yeah he kicked my butt) I disagree with what you wrote. I think a sub 2:05-2:10 marathoner like Kipchoge could very well beat Kilian on a course like Pikes Peak....and may even run under 3:20 on the the current course (which is an insane time btw). Pikes is fairly "runnable" (non-technical) and the altitude factor makes having a high Vo2max and road marathon ability correlate every well with performances there.
Chasing3 wrote:
They have a lifetime of experience and dedicated training on the roads, and they might only finish 6 or 7 minutes ahead of Kilian on his road marathon debut. Put them against him at the Pikes Peak marathon or Mont Blanc marathon and Kilian will be at least half an hour ahead of them, if they even finish.
GOAT
Please. Killian would at worst put 15 minutes in to him on the downhill.
Chasing3 wrote:
They have a lifetime of experience and dedicated training on the roads, and they might only finish 6 or 7 minutes ahead of Kilian on his road marathon debut. Put them against him at the Pikes Peak marathon or Mont Blanc marathon and Kilian will be at least half an hour ahead of them, if they even finish.
GOAT
Kipchoge would mess Killian up on Pikes Peak man.
S. Canaday wrote:
As someone who finished about 11 minutes behind Kilian at last year's Pikes Peak Marathon (yeah he kicked my butt) I disagree with what you wrote.
I think a sub 2:05-2:10 marathoner like Kipchoge could very well beat Kilian on a course like Pikes Peak....and may even run under 3:20 on the the current course (which is an insane time btw). Pikes is fairly "runnable" (non-technical) and the altitude factor makes having a high Vo2max and road marathon ability correlate every well with performances there.
Chasing3 wrote:
They have a lifetime of experience and dedicated training on the roads, and they might only finish 6 or 7 minutes ahead of Kilian on his road marathon debut. Put them against him at the Pikes Peak marathon or Mont Blanc marathon and Kilian will be at least half an hour ahead of them, if they even finish.
GOAT
kip winning on pikes peak? pleeease, you know you're wrong. anyway, being behing kj doesn't add any extra credibility to your posts. so stop bragging.
Don't think Kipchoge could possibly make any serious impact on some of the legendary marathon length courses. Guys like Wacker are 2:17 marathon runners and they have ended up nearly 20 minutes behind Jornet in Zegama. Maybe a 1:50 marathon runner might have a chance?
Even better, Max King, a 2:14 runner, was half an hour behind Jornet in Zegama. You're telling me a 2:10 or a 2:05 runner is going make any difference??
First of all Zegama is nothing like Pikes Peak. Not even close. Max was over a half hour behind me at Pikes Peak the past two years also. He had bad race(s) and wasn't altitude adjusted (and big long climbs have never been his cup of tea anyway). It happens. All I'm saying (and obviously it depends on the course...which I do know all these courses) is that a lot of fast road marathon runnesr (especially sub 2:10 guys) could probably do really well in these types of marathon-mountain-trail races. Again Pikes Peak is not technical. Zegama is much more technical and usually muddy and has a crap ton more climbing/powerhiking. I'm not even talking about UTMB here. And again, Killian has shown some great "Flat speed" but until he actually runs a sub 2:15 marathon all we know is that he can go around 30-flat for 10km and has done stuff like 10 x 400m in 62-63 on a 1-min rest. He is a the GOAT mountain runner though. Hands down all around the best mountain-runner of all time. With range from 5km to 100-miles. Again, his time/record at Sierre-Zinal last year was mind blowing. I think this "sweet spot" is steep mountain stuff (especially technical downhills) in the 20km-50km distance though. But he is beatable (not saying by me but by others) at races like UTMB and Transvulcania etc. And I won't say it would be too extreme to think that an amazing sub 2:05 marathoner runner couldn't beat him on a course like Pikes Peak Marathon.
Trail marathons wrote:
Even better, Max King, a 2:14 runner, was half an hour behind Jornet in Zegama. You're telling me a 2:10 or a 2:05 runner is going make any difference??
S. Canaday wrote:
First of all Zegama is nothing like Pikes Peak. Not even close.
Max was over a half hour behind me at Pikes Peak the past two years also. He had bad race(s) and wasn't altitude adjusted (and big long climbs have never been his cup of tea anyway). It happens.
All I'm saying (and obviously it depends on the course...which I do know all these courses) is that a lot of fast road marathon runnesr (especially sub 2:10 guys) could probably do really well in these types of marathon-mountain-trail races. Again Pikes Peak is not technical. Zegama is much more technical and usually muddy and has a crap ton more climbing/powerhiking.
I'm not even talking about UTMB here.
And again, Killian has shown some great "Flat speed" but until he actually runs a sub 2:15 marathon all we know is that he can go around 30-flat for 10km and has done stuff like 10 x 400m in 62-63 on a 1-min rest. He is a the GOAT mountain runner though. Hands down all around the best mountain-runner of all time. With range from 5km to 100-miles. Again, his time/record at Sierre-Zinal last year was mind blowing. I think this "sweet spot" is steep mountain stuff (especially technical downhills) in the 20km-50km distance though.
But he is beatable (not saying by me but by others) at races like UTMB and Transvulcania etc. And I won't say it would be too extreme to think that an amazing sub 2:05 marathoner runner couldn't beat him on a course like Pikes Peak Marathon.
Trail marathons wrote:
Even better, Max King, a 2:14 runner, was half an hour behind Jornet in Zegama. You're telling me a 2:10 or a 2:05 runner is going make any difference??
Not having run Pike's Peak so i can't comment on the technicality, but I would agree with you in general on the ascent but i've run with a lot of really good road runners who have never run trail descent and even if it's not technical they really struggle on really steep sections and don't get anywhere near the same speed they should.
Only seen Pike's Peak on the streams but it does look pretty steep heading down so Kipchoge may struggle on that unless he had to maybe put some training on downhill running
But you've run the course so probably know better but may be overestimating some road runners ability to go down quickly on those steep sections