Saucony Endorphin Pro Impressions

The ASICS meta race work for me . Low stack and lots of pop. People could use these for 5 and 10 k. I have not tried the saucony .

Anyone else experiencing this? wrote:

I struggle to get going fast in them and they don't have that effortless feel to them. I feel like I struggle going 6:30 pace in this shoe. If I just run easy, I end up running slower than in normal trainers with these. I comfortably hit mile repeats in the 5:14-5:19 range in the Hyperion Tempo and comfortably cruised my 14 mile long run in it at ~6:40.

Give me an effing break. You aren't fooling anyone claiming you slow down OVER A MINUTE PER MILE due to pair of shoes. Nice try, foolio.

Getting my pair monday. Wont be trying out in a workout for a week or so after. I am ~185-190lbs and 6'4" though. So may hopefully have a different impression.

Thanks for the update.

I've worn the Endorphin Pro for three workouts and a time trial now. I think they're great. The lack of squish is actually refreshing coming from wearing some other nike shoes over the past few years. They don't feel awkward to me, but do feel better the faster I run in them.

ridersd wrote:

The ASICS meta race work for me . Low stack and lots of pop. People could use these for 5 and 10 k. I have not tried the saucony .

I’m interested in these. Do they feel faster for a half do you think than a high stack shoe like the Endorphin? Do they feel faster for a 5k/10k than a flat like the streak lt4 or adidas runfast pro?

Common Man wrote:

Anyone else experiencing this? wrote:

I struggle to get going fast in them and they don't have that effortless feel to them. I feel like I struggle going 6:30 pace in this shoe. If I just run easy, I end up running slower than in normal trainers with these. I comfortably hit mile repeats in the 5:14-5:19 range in the Hyperion Tempo and comfortably cruised my 14 mile long run in it at ~6:40.

Give me an effing break. You aren't fooling anyone claiming you slow down OVER A MINUTE PER MILE due to pair of shoes. Nice try, foolio.

I'm not saying they slow me down that much when trying to do mile repeats at 5k pace. I have taken them down to ~5:35 or so doing a cutdown. But shoes like the FC TC, Next%, and 4% allow you to easily cruise and feel like you are expending less effort. In those shoes, cruising at 6:30 for a long distance is easy. I felt like I was working doing 6:30 pace for like a few miles.

A few caveats: it has gotten hotter recently and I did feel decent on the first run in these. All the others have not been great though. And one day I literally did a double later that day in the TC and went fastish again and felt much better.

I personally just don't feel the benefit of these higher stack shoes if they are that firm. I personally don't feel that much more protected than in something like the Hyperion Tempo or even Skechers Speed Elite. The stack is certainly there, but I'm not getting that cushion and rebound out of it. I'd rather just be lower to the ground if the midsole is going to be that firm anyways.

Like I said, this might work well for bigger runners though. I am only 5'2" and ~125lbs.

I have only done one run in them (2nd will be in a couple hours) but here is my impression:

After warm up, I ran a HM in 1:24:20 at 166 BPM.

The week before the ran the same course in my Next% in 1:25:06 at 164 BPM.

For reference my PR (set this year) is 1:22:02 at 166 BPM. So neither is a full race effort, but both were hard non-tapered efforts.

Here is what I said about the Endorphins after my run:

Testing out my new Saucony Endorphin Pros (while wearing my Saucony Endorphin shorts and my Saucony Endorphin singlet). Same running route as last Saturday when I wore my Vaporfly Next%. This run was 46 seconds faster, and my HR was 2 BPM higher, so read into that what you will. The Endorphin Pros are very comfortable, nice and soft and cushioned without feeling squishy like the Next% do. They also have a comfortably roomy toebox, this is a very nice change from all of my Nike and adidas shoes. But most importantly they are nice and fast ??‍♂️?

Long time poster, first time user here.

early 60s - competitive age group runner

I just got mine earlier this week and tried them first time today. First time on the new shoe technology of any kind. Previously raced in Adios Boost and trained faster workouts in the Adidas Boston or Saucony Kinvara. Been at 50+/-5 miles a week for past two months, after slow start to the year due to an injury. Recent (May) time trial and workout level have been at VD0T of 53, with test efforts of 15K, 10K, and 1 mile.

The shoes feel spongy and will take some getting used to, but once I got rolling in the workout and more used to them, they felt better. Putting on the regular trainers (Asics GT2000) for my cool down felt really strange!

Today I did 2X2K and 1X 1.6K on an out and back. I ran a pace about 8 seconds/mile faster than recent tempo runs (which were consistent with my VD0T). They definitely made a difference.

hey Mr. Obvious. long time listener, first time caller

Glad they're working! I think the Endorphin Pro is an awesome shoe - it is very near that Vaporfly effect (unscientifically) but somehow a little... more gentle? I can much more readily see training in the Endorphin Pro over the Vaporfly and especially (from what I understand) Alphafly.

I listened to a podcast with Jared Ward and he said he tested it in the lab and got a 4.4% improvement with the endorphin pro over a standard flat. Obviously he's biased because he's sponsored but it's interesting nonetheless.

Did 1000m cruise intervals in them. Not to drink the koolaid, but they felt awesome. Very natural and efficient at 5:38 mile pace. Great balance of cushion and "toe-spring". I've never run in vaporflys... and I won't need to.

OK- I realize I'm late to the party here, but just got my Endorphin Pro's. Did a comparative tempo run a few weeks apart. 1st run was 6mi at tempo (threshold) in Hoka Rincons. 2nd was 7mi at tempo Endorphin Pro's. The comparative 2nd half miles, where I was on a flat river path. Same HR. Same weather conditions. the Endorphin pro's were... ~4% faster.

57 years old. 5'7" 135lb mid-foot striker. 70+ mpw volume.

7:06min/mi vs 6:50 min/mi

The E-Pro's feel a bit weird. Different. Like my feet come forward faster, and the cushion and shape of the forefoot is strange feeling. There are other shoes I enjoy running tempo pace in more- although maybe it's because that's what I'm used to. But- marathon day is 7-1/2 weeks away. I'll be racing in the E-pro's.

FWIW I was running those miles with a friend. He compared Hoka Carbon X2's to Nike Alphafly's. NO difference in speed (or HR) between his runs. Nearly identical.