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Start reporting deaths honestly- don't commit administrative euthanasia- don't pay hospitals to report everything as a "covid death"- hold media accountable for hysteria reporting. Just a start.
Allen53 wrote:
Start reporting deaths honestly- don't commit administrative euthanasia- don't pay hospitals to report everything as a "covid death"- hold media accountable for hysteria reporting. Just a start.
Yes.
Let's have a count of the covid deaths of people who tested positive for the virus and had no other comorbidities.
We's probably be down to less than 10,000 from what I can gathers
Giles Corey wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
Start reporting deaths honestly- don't commit administrative euthanasia- don't pay hospitals to report everything as a "covid death"- hold media accountable for hysteria reporting. Just a start.
Yes.
Let's have a count of the covid deaths of people who tested positive for the virus and had no other comorbidities.
We's probably be down to less than 10,000 from what I can gathers
Care to post your methodology for reaching the 10K number?
7 straight weeks of death counts (blue bars) way above the average (orange line). People keep saying COVID numbers are over inflated, yet each week 10k more Americans are dying than normal. Just happens to be a coincidence??
America's HALF-Asiatic US President doesn't care who lives or dies. That's how those Chinese have always been.
GG-man wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
Yes.
Let's have a count of the covid deaths of people who tested positive for the virus and had no other comorbidities.
We's probably be down to less than 10,000 from what I can gathers
Care to post your methodology for reaching the 10K number?
100k minus 100k times % with comorbidities.
Think back to 4th grade math.
% with comorbidities you ask?
Pretty important stat which one would think should be easy to find.
But not so. Like so much else about this pandemic, important, simple stats are not easy to come by.
Here is what I did find.
In New York state, just over 86% of reported COVID-19 deaths involved at least one comorbidity, according to the state’s department of health.
Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds
Only 6 percent of patients at one New York area health system had no chronic conditions. Hypertension, obesity and diabetes were common.
Wikipedia cites the 86% figure noted above.
Taking the average of the 86% and 94% (100% - 6%) gives 90%.
Hence, if 100k have died, only 10k of those had no comorbidities.
QED
Bad Wigins Historical Tour wrote:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard7 straight weeks of death counts (blue bars) way above the average (orange line). People keep saying COVID numbers are over inflated, yet each week 10k more Americans are dying than normal. Just happens to be a coincidence??
Based on methodologies that can give different "expected" deaths.
Show real monthly total deaths for past few years and them we will have some hard data
Giles Corey wrote:
Bad Wigins Historical Tour wrote:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard7 straight weeks of death counts (blue bars) way above the average (orange line). People keep saying COVID numbers are over inflated, yet each week 10k more Americans are dying than normal. Just happens to be a coincidence??
Based on methodologies that can give different "expected" deaths.
Show real monthly total deaths for past few years and them we will have some hard data
The blue bars show the actual death rate every week for the last four years! You have the data you need right in the chart.
Bad Wigins Historical Tour wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
Based on methodologies that can give different "expected" deaths.
Show real monthly total deaths for past few years and them we will have some hard data
The blue bars show the actual death rate every week for the last four years! You have the data you need right in the chart.
Why aren't the expected deaths more similar to the actual number of deaths in Jan. of 2018? Then in 2019 there were much fewer than expected. This almost looks like a time delay due to a very mild 2019.
pointer outer wrote:
Bad Wigins Historical Tour wrote:
The blue bars show the actual death rate every week for the last four years! You have the data you need right in the chart.
Why aren't the expected deaths more similar to the actual number of deaths in Jan. of 2018? Then in 2019 there were much fewer than expected. This almost looks like a time delay due to a very mild 2019.
2018 was an exceptionally bad flu season. The orange line takes more than 1 year into account. Is your argument honestly that the deaths that are excessive in April actually should have been moved back to January?
The guy posts legitimate data to prove COVID has caused more deaths, but those that want to will continue to ignore it. I worked in the icu we had over 10 COVID ICUs running at one point. It was NOT business as usual. Just because someone has comorbidites doesn’t discount the death. I’ve run in low 230s for marathon and in my current out of shape state I’m not overweight and recently ran sub 80 half and I have high blood pressure.
So the way in which Covid deaths are recorded vary I n each country. You have one camp saying they are exaggerated and you have the other saying they are underreported. To me, and most people with sense, governments have more of a reason to downplay and not lose face than to bluster their death count. Keep it high enough so that everyone takes it seriously, but not too high as to earn the tag of worst effected country per capita or worst acting government or whatever. But where things that can’t be blurred so easily are official overall deaths irrespective of the cause. This has made clear as day with huge spikes in excess deaths during the last few months of this pandemic compared to the last 5 year average. That Simple stat alone is enough to debunk the hoax conspiracies. But if you scratch even more, most of these nations can’t justify all of the excess deaths from the reported Covid attributed count alone. Meaning there is still a significant chunk of the spike unaccounted for in practically every country with such records. So what is it..?
Bad Wigins Historical Tour wrote:
pointer outer wrote:
Why aren't the expected deaths more similar to the actual number of deaths in Jan. of 2018? Then in 2019 there were much fewer than expected. This almost looks like a time delay due to a very mild 2019.
2018 was an exceptionally bad flu season. The orange line takes more than 1 year into account. Is your argument honestly that the deaths that are excessive in April actually should have been moved back to January?
I am saying that there is more to this than a simple bar graph. In my state there would be no excess deaths had they occurred during the flu season this year. Since the flu season appears to be very mild on that chart for 2019, the people that would have died from the flu didn't. You would then expect any flu season after that to have an increase in deaths. If you are susceptible to dying from the flu and there is no flu, you need to wait for it the next year.
clowntown wrote:
The guy posts legitimate data to prove COVID has caused more deaths, but those that want to will continue to ignore it. I worked in the icu we had over 10 COVID ICUs running at one point. It was NOT business as usual. Just because someone has comorbidites doesn’t discount the death. I’ve run in low 230s for marathon and in my current out of shape state I’m not overweight and recently ran sub 80 half and I have high blood pressure.
I don't think any 80 year olds can run a sub 80 half.
Trump knew from CIA reports than COVID-19 was infecting the USA. Trump is responsible for the delta. That's 100,000 deaths.
The difference in USA and Korea comes down to personal liberty.
We in USA are simply not willing to give up our personal freedoms and privacy. Whether for greater good or not. This policy has made us great in the past but not during a pandemic.
Korea contact traces. You are a public scarlet letter. Without doing this, our deaths and economy will plummet again in the fall.
Blanket policies do not work regarding a pandemic.
Actual COVID-19 deaths through May 2020 will be far, far higher. You were the guys touting the 61,000 figure for the flu in 2017-18 as dwarfing COVID-19 deaths. That figure, adjusted downward from a 79,000 estimate, was the result of a statistical model with final figures from death certificates and comparisons of severity of cases at certain hospitals used to estimate the death rate. Excess mortality has been much larger than COVID-19 figures in all the hard hit states. So, counting deaths initially with the flu that ended up with 61,000 had figures far lower. The subsequent estimates raise the figures dramatically, as much as tenfold for weekly estimates. In this case, death certificates, which take 1-8 weeks and nationwide FLU-SURV like data systems, which take up to 2 years! to report, will add tens of thousands to the 100k so far, at least.
Korea didn't violate personal liberty. They just got supplies where they needed to be and traced every single case, quarantining and isolating where necessary. Competent leadership is all they needed, something we sorely lack.
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