go go away wrote:
It is only dangerous to those who chose a dangerous lifestyle of poor diet and no exercise. Don't blame Covid 19 when almost all of the deaths were preventable through better habits.
Typical Republican response. Of course, like the Republican legislators in Pennsylvania, you probably do what you can to help the vulnerable in your family, but will not tell anyone else about it--because it's all about you in the end, not being part of the greater good.
Esterhazy1 wrote:
go go away wrote:
It is only dangerous to those who chose a dangerous lifestyle of poor diet and no exercise. Don't blame Covid 19 when almost all of the deaths were preventable through better habits.
Typical Republican response. Of course, like the Republican legislators in Pennsylvania, you probably do what you can to help the vulnerable in your family, but will not tell anyone else about it--because it's all about you in the end, not being part of the greater good.
I think those who want to stay at home are the selfish ones. They are depending on people to go out to work and be exposed to the virus at a level they are not willing to subject themselves to allow them to continue to stay at home. There are Republicans and Democrats who are out working and being exposed who have families who live with them, many who are elderly or have pre-existing conditions. So maybe before taking a shot at those who want to open up the county those, those who have been trying to shelter in place should consider all those individuals who have been out exposing themselves and their families to the virus to allow that to happen. I have a hard time seeing the person who wants to go back to work being the selfish one.
Text bots are the leading proponents of resistance to common-sense precautions. The "sheep" here are those who can't tell the difference between contrived propaganda motivated by chaos and real science.
If you are on here spouting about how this is just like the flu, then I wish you the best that your Russian overlords keep their computers plugged in so you can keep updating your information.
An alternative would be to return to reality and be a member of actual society.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
I think those who want to stay at home are the selfish ones. They are depending on people to go out to work and be exposed to the virus at a level they are not willing to subject themselves to allow them to continue to stay at home. There are Republicans and Democrats who are out working and being exposed who have families who live with them, many who are elderly or have pre-existing conditions. So maybe before taking a shot at those who want to open up the county those, those who have been trying to shelter in place should consider all those individuals who have been out exposing themselves and their families to the virus to allow that to happen. I have a hard time seeing the person who wants to go back to work being the selfish one.
Nobody doesn't want to go back to work.
People just want a plan to do so, something every single country seems to have managed except the feds in the US.
Now we just have a patchwork of states trying different stuff, and we will see how it goes.
Most of the argument on here is against people who try to completely downplay the severity of the virus. It's entirely possible to think that 1) the virus is very severe and warrants extreme caution and 2) endless lockdown is not beneficial.
It's kind of a moot point now because even California has re-opened retail stores. What's left?
False Arguments wrote:
Text bots are the leading proponents of resistance to common-sense precautions. The "sheep" here are those who can't tell the difference between contrived propaganda motivated by chaos and real science.
If you are on here spouting about how this is just like the flu, then I wish you the best that your Russian overlords keep their computers plugged in so you can keep updating your information.
An alternative would be to return to reality and be a member of actual society.
You realize Russia's misinformation campaign works both ways. Their goal is to divide American's but it is also to hurt American's interest. What do you think benefits Russia more, the severe damage to our economy through the shutdown or worst case half a million Americans(the majority of whom are in nursing homes) dieing. The massive unemployment and political divisiveness, not to mention the health toll of the damaged economy is way worse for America when viewed from the eyes of our enemies.
Which stories have you seen amplified, Americans are terrified of this virus and think it is way worse than it is. It's the misinformation about the 3% death rate that is being spewed on TV, online blogs, and once reputable media, it isn't this new CDC report showing .26% is the best estimate. If Russia has been trying to amplify that this isn't that serious they've failed miserably, at least where I live.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Esterhazy1 wrote:
Typical Republican response. Of course, like the Republican legislators in Pennsylvania, you probably do what you can to help the vulnerable in your family, but will not tell anyone else about it--because it's all about you in the end, not being part of the greater good.
I think those who want to stay at home are the selfish ones. They are depending on people to go out to work and be exposed to the virus at a level they are not willing to subject themselves to allow them to continue to stay at home. There are Republicans and Democrats who are out working and being exposed who have families who live with them, many who are elderly or have pre-existing conditions. So maybe before taking a shot at those who want to open up the county those, those who have been trying to shelter in place should consider all those individuals who have been out exposing themselves and their families to the virus to allow that to happen. I have a hard time seeing the person who wants to go back to work being the selfish one.
You didn’t understand, or probably even read, what I wrote. Your understanding of epidemiology is so bad ... I don’t even know where to begin.
this is my third time attempting to post this. Hopefully It doesn’t get deleted again because people need to see this
“includes people believed to have been killed by the coronavirus before their diagnoses could be confirmed by a lab test”
“New York City added thousands of people to its coronavirus death toll to account for victims who died in recent weeks without a confirmed diagnosis.”
These are two separate articles a month apart that both talk about New York. If you add just the numbers from those two articles that’s 5500 Covid deaths without even having a test done.
Straight from the horse’s mouth
Many and even the majority of people who died were never tested COVID + after death. So suspected COVID cases relies on symptoms. Symptoms are turning out to be so vast that accuracy is difficult.
Lamplighter wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
I think those who want to stay at home are the selfish ones. They are depending on people to go out to work and be exposed to the virus at a level they are not willing to subject themselves to allow them to continue to stay at home. There are Republicans and Democrats who are out working and being exposed who have families who live with them, many who are elderly or have pre-existing conditions. So maybe before taking a shot at those who want to open up the county those, those who have been trying to shelter in place should consider all those individuals who have been out exposing themselves and their families to the virus to allow that to happen. I have a hard time seeing the person who wants to go back to work being the selfish one.
You didn’t understand, or probably even read, what I wrote. Your understanding of epidemiology is so bad ... I don’t even know where to begin.
A) I didn't even get into epidemiology so I don't know how you would infer my knowledge on that. I was posting on you making this a party issue.
B) I didn't respond to you unless you are posting as multiple handles and didn't realize you changed your name.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
I didn't even get into epidemiology so I don't know how you would infer my knowledge on that. I was posting on you making this a party issue.
National response has been a failure. This is the fault of the feds. That's what makes it a party issue.
We had 2 months warning from China to ramp up testing and PPE supplies. Nothing was done.
Esterhazy1 wrote:
go go away wrote:
It is only dangerous to those who chose a dangerous lifestyle of poor diet and no exercise. Don't blame Covid 19 when almost all of the deaths were preventable through better habits.
Typical Republican response. Of course, like the Republican legislators in Pennsylvania, you probably do what you can to help the vulnerable in your family, but will not tell anyone else about it--because it's all about you in the end, not being part of the greater good.
Class is Republican response: BLAME THE VICTIM!
joedirt wrote:
the more you talk, the dumber you seem wrote:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm2017/2018 look slike a little blip next to COVID.
2017 peak- one week above 10% excess deaths (9-13%)
2020: multiple weeks above 30% excess fatalities.
30%+ more people were dying than normal.
Depends on the state you look at. Did NYC have a bunch of excess deaths? Yes. Did 27 other states have more excess deaths than the 2017/18 flu season? No. What led to the excess deaths? It wasn't purely COVID. As others have noted, they forced nursing homes to take patients that were COVID positive (which can partly be blamed on the leadership). Before that though, in order to create space in hospitals, they forced a bunch of ill patients out of hospitals and into nursing homes to create bed space for a surge that never materialized in most locations. A lot of those individuals died because a CNA doesn't quite measure up to a real nurse and doctor and hospital facilities in an emergency situation. Deaths of despair also increased (and will continue for quite some time due to the economic ramifications of everyone freaking out): for every 1% increase in unemployment you see a 1-1.6% rise in suicides, a 3.3% rise in drug overdoses, and an increase in alcohol, cigarette and other substance consumption. Cancer diagnoses have dropped dramatically as people have not been getting wellness checks:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/drop-cancer-diagnoses-concern-doctors/story?id=70682238That will lead to a lot of premature deaths as these cancers will get caught in later stages where the 5 year survival rate drops significantly. People losing health coverage due to COVID shutdown related job losses will lead to more deaths. People not seeking immediate medical care for things like strokes, heart attacks, pendicitis, etc. due to media stoked coronavirus fears have also led to excess deaths.
The point being that many of the excess deaths in the CDC data can be attributed to effects of the shutdown itself.
It's also interesting to point out that Connecticut shows only about 50 excess deaths in the CDC data. My guess is a lot of those were lumped into the NYC data, which is why their numbers look so bad.
ummmm...how exactly does New York's 23k COVID deaths account for nearly 100k excessive deaths in the US?
Esterhazy1 wrote:
go go away wrote:
It is only dangerous to those who chose a dangerous lifestyle of poor diet and no exercise. Don't blame Covid 19 when almost all of the deaths were preventable through better habits.
Typical Republican response. Of course, like the Republican legislators in Pennsylvania, you probably do what you can to help the vulnerable in your family, but will not tell anyone else about it--because it's all about you in the end, not being part of the greater good.
Greater good? You missed that train buddy, now why don’t you wake up before you make yourself look even more foolish. You sir are nothing more than a consumer
PTF wrote:
coach wrote:
Does the flu result in strokes, heart problems, blood clots? Does the flu last 3 weeks?
I'm not saying covid is a death sentence but it's not the flu.
Not to mention long-term damage to organs etc..
I do not blame people for being skeptical for what they read in the news...as nearly all mainstream news outlets have disgraced themselves beyond repair. But Covid-19 is far more serious than the flu. How you feel we should deal with this in terms of what to open and what to keep closed is debatable. There is no right or wrong answer. Just opinions.
But whatever you believe,
it is in your best interest to maintain a healthy respect for this virus.
I've been COVID free for just over 2 months now. I'm STILL not running my pre-COVID times, yet.
Another 5 pages of fashy propaganda brought to you by the Brothers ("hey vote for our swell neighbor George Bush!") Johnson.
Even twitter is starting to police destructive lies. When will letsfash.com do that?
To paraphrase what our president is allowed to say:
The only good Brother Johnson is a dead Brother Johnson.
Florida may have been caught red handed failing to report COVID 19 deaths by just labeling them as "pneumonia". There is a huge spike in reported pneumonia deaths in 2020 in Florida compared to past years. Other states do not have similar spikes.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1266357833479729152/photo/1
You all understand that deaths from COVID (in fact most of deaths from COVID) are ultimately pneumonia deaths? They can be included both in the pneumonia count as well as the COVID count. They have a financial incentive to include them in the COVID count, so odds are they show up in their count. If you look at the excess deaths, they have 769 above the threshold and 2119 above the average and they are reporting 2410, so their count is likely pretty accurate. It is also worth noting that their 769 deaths above the excess death threshold for COVID-19 is over 40% lower than their 1,295 deaths above the excess death threshold for the 2017/18 flu season.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Just select Florida as the jurisdiction.
There are many ways of tabulating death stats that are not mutually exclusive.
Florida is likely NOT 'hiding' COVID deaths under other categories, nor is there a huge undercount.
See:
https://twitter.com/ctmorganti/status/1265831281264394242?s=20
[quote]Math Jackwad wrote:
You are deliberately confusing case fatality rate and infection fatality rate.
I'd like to know the difference.
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