57 COVID deaths in GA today: Post-opening spike starting?

CountChocula wrote:

1100 wrote:

Looks like US is #8 to me, unless you are counting absurdly tiny "countries" that nobody should count on such a list (Andorra with 52 deaths total? San Marino with 42?)

Here are the rankings that I see (figures are deaths/million population):

1) Belgium 848

2) UK 677

3) Spain 608

4) Italy 581

5) Peru 570

6) Sweden 568

7) Chile 490

8) USA 468

9) France 463

10) Brazil 430

11) Netherlands 359

12) Ireland 357

13) Mexico 352

If I recall, a couple months ago agip left out Andorra and San Marino, and then posters criticized him for "lying about the US rank among countries" because those are both countries, and he excluded them.

I've never excluded any nations although yeah I probably should if they are microscopic.

I think you have some rose colored glasses on...maybe some experts said that they hadn't *found* any evidence of WMDs but I doubt many outright said 'WMDs do not exist in Iraq.'

Every major western nation believed that Iraq had WMDs. But only a few wanted to go to war about it.

7/30 Data

Ok well then.

Almost the same number of people died from Covid this week as died of combat in the 6 years of the American Revolution.

Utter fail.

The 'everything going to merde' trend continues. I don't really want to talk about it.

New highs all over the place and deaths are again accelerating in the 4 problem states.

That's just what I was saying. Many experts doubted that there were WMD because they had found little evidence that they existed. All the weapons inspectors wanted was a little more time to prove it one way or the other.

The likelihood was that Iraq possessed some chemical weapons, especially those chemical weapons that the US sold to Iraq years earlier. But those weapons would have been expired and probably were useless by that time. It was certainly possible that they had manufactured more, but again, there was no credible evidence of that.

There was a very low likelihood that Iraq possessed biological weapons as those are much harder to manufacture.

There was almost zero likelihood that Iraq possessed nuclear weapons.

So you put all that together and find that the experts were telling us that Iraq's only real threat was from chemical weapons that may or may not exist.

You don't go to war because someone "might" use chemical weapons that they "might" have.

The clever ploy was to put them all together, call it "Weapons of Mass Destruction", and say it was all a grave threat.

If you listened to the experts you could easily understand all this and conclude that even if possession of WMD was valid reason to attack Iraq, it was a really stupid reason to go to war given the lack of evidence.

Other nations listened to the experts. We did not.

In other words, if people listened to the experts instead of the politicians, thousands of lives would have been saved. The same thing goes for COVID-19.

257 deaths in Florida. They will now surpass 7,000 deaths tomorrow.

I think the thing that is particularly alarming is while the peak for positive tests was July 11-15, the plateau is showing no signs of going away. The positive rate is not moving below 10%. and cases are remaining steady. Not good.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

257 deaths in Florida. They will now surpass 7,000 deaths tomorrow.

I think the thing that is particularly alarming is while the peak for positive tests was July 11-15, the plateau is showing no signs of going away. The positive rate is not moving below 10%. and cases are remaining steady. Not good.

Many schools in Georgia start on Monday even though infection rates are very high in many parts of the state. This will mean another surge in cases in a few weeks that may exceed current plateaus. And then we will start to hit fall flu season when it is anticipated that COVID 19 transmission will be worse. (Australia's new outbreak in Victoria looks to be due to colder weather).

It looks like southern governors in TX, GA and FL are determined to just ride it out and let lots of people suffer and die because they are not up for reelection this year. They hope that by the time they are up for reelection, there is a vaccine and people will have short memories. They are more afraid of facing the wrath of the business community than their actual constituents who get sick and die.

Baloney. A few traitors in the Office of Special Plans made up the whole thing. I have to believe anyone in the know had to know it was BS

Precious Roy wrote:

It looks like southern governors in TX, GA and FL are determined to just ride it out and let lots of people suffer and die because they are not up for reelection this year. They hope that by the time they are up for reelection, there is a vaccine and people will have short memories. They are more afraid of facing the wrath of the business community than their actual constituents who get sick and die.

I'd add in the wrath of the White House as well. See the optics of DeSantis fund-raising and welcoming Trump as Florida is current Ground Zero for COVID-19.

In a small bit of positive news, am happy to report today's positive % in Florida was 10.57. That is not a good number, but it is better and maybe can be a sign that some of the mask mandates/reemphasis of Social Distancing could start showing up soon.

Misleading article to some degree.

Sweden's "normal" for months was magnitudes worth than many of these countries' spikes. Sweden (pop. ~10M) right now is reporting 152 cases per day according to the article, Germany (pop. ~80M) who is alarmed by these spikes reported 550 cases per day during that troubling period. So even with spikes and not aiming for herd immunity and tallying tons of deaths, they're still doing better.

Germany information here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53566880

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Misleading article to some degree.

Sweden's "normal" for months was magnitudes worth than many of these countries' spikes. Sweden (pop. ~10M) right now is reporting 152 cases per day according to the article, Germany (pop. ~80M) who is alarmed by these spikes reported 550 cases per day during that troubling period. So even with spikes and not aiming for herd immunity and tallying tons of deaths, they're still doing better.

Misleading meaning it does not conform to the establishment narrative you have bought into.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Misleading article to some degree.

Sweden's "normal" for months was magnitudes worth than many of these countries' spikes. Sweden (pop. ~10M) right now is reporting 152 cases per day according to the article, Germany (pop. ~80M) who is alarmed by these spikes reported 550 cases per day during that troubling period. So even with spikes and not aiming for herd immunity and tallying tons of deaths, they're still doing better.

You do realize most of these "cases' are people who are perfectly fine?

Whodunit wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Misleading article to some degree.

Sweden's "normal" for months was magnitudes worth than many of these countries' spikes. Sweden (pop. ~10M) right now is reporting 152 cases per day according to the article, Germany (pop. ~80M) who is alarmed by these spikes reported 550 cases per day during that troubling period. So even with spikes and not aiming for herd immunity and tallying tons of deaths, they're still doing better.

Misleading meaning it does not conform to the establishment narrative you have bought into.

All I can do is give you facts. If they don't fit your narrative, I'm sorry.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

257 deaths in Florida. They will now surpass 7,000 deaths tomorrow.

I think the thing that is particularly alarming is while the peak for positive tests was July 11-15, the plateau is showing no signs of going away. The positive rate is not moving below 10%. and cases are remaining steady. Not good.

Deaths lag infection by about 4 weeks, so the naive expectation is that next week deaths will be higher and then we'll see the start of the plateau.

Whodunit wrote:

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-which-never-had-lockdown-sees-covid-19-cases-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626?fbclid=IwAR3xPUVdMH2F2MOXZHxVTe9QIf1_GjDFwQghsom1wfHKknB1epiWvhiwCuE

(From the article):

Last week Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, who has led the country's COVID-19 response, said the nation's controversial anti-lockdown strategy has been a success "to a great extent," in an interview with UnHerd.

While an official lockdown was never ordered, Tegnell noted: "We have cut down on movement in society quite a lot. We have compared how much we travel in Scandinavian countries, and the decrease in travel is the same in Sweden as in neighbouring countries. In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries."

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The Swedish economy was certainly disrupted. But the bigger fact is that Swedes have a better sense of civic responsibility than Americans do. If the US government had asked people to voluntarily keep their distance and protect customers in their businesses, I think we would have seen very little compliance.

School starts on Monday in parts of Georgia. CDC finds high attack rate of infection among kids of all ages at overnight YMCA camp. Governor Kemp opens the convention center in Atlanta for COVID 19 surge capacity. New cases in GA have plateaued but show no sign of coming down. 2 straight days of 4,000+ new cases in GA. 81 deaths today.

https://www.wtoc.com/2020/07/31/virus-patients-be-sent-giant-georgia-convention-center/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/31/georgia-children-covid-outbreak/

Precious Roy wrote:

School starts on Monday in parts of Georgia. CDC finds high attack rate of infection among kids of all ages at overnight YMCA camp. Governor Kemp opens the convention center in Atlanta for COVID 19 surge capacity. New cases in GA have plateaued but show no sign of coming down. 2 straight days of 4,000+ new cases in GA. 81 deaths today.

https://www.wtoc.com/2020/07/31/virus-patients-be-sent-giant-georgia-convention-center/https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/31/georgia-children-covid-outbreak/

The last time GA Gal posted here she was bragging about how her kids just got back from a week of sleep away camp and she already had them scheduled to be tested. I'm worried that her kids tested positive and that's why she hasn't posted again.

Not even sure what is the point about talking about Sweden anymore unless you are going to point out that Sweden caught the virus early, has universal health care and has almost universally bought into voluntary social distancing measures that are in practice more restrictive than anything that happened during lockdown in GA (and are certainly way more restrictive than what is happening in GA right now). S. Korea and Japan also avoided country wide lockdowns because they reacted early and often. GA would not have low transmission like Sweden right now had it skipped lockdowns because people in GA would never do the kind of voluntary social distancing.