What does what she *thinks* she can run matter to this discussion? She improved 3 and a half minutes over 5 years while getting a new, acclaimed coach and benefiting (like most everyone else) from shoe tech. I don't really think there's much to see here.
How is this any different than the large time drop by someone like Desi Linden? Women can drop more time than men because of changes in body composition and losing body fat. I have a friend who ran for the Hanson’s and said they tried to get her to take oral L-carnitine (legal supplement) to get leaner. Just look at the Olympic Marathon Trials, and there’s tons of women who went from 3+ hrs to sub 2:45. Training better and getting leaner can be dramatic for women.
Renato Canova wrote:
I see that everybody continues to underrate the importance of the coach when some athlete improves his/her PB.
Getaneh is a coach with a lot of experience, in the past coached Tsegaye Kebede, for example, and many Others able to run well under 2:06 (before the shoes…).
He started to coach women few years ago only, and was the first coach in Ethiopia to organise a training camp outside of Addis Abeba.
Comparing with the previous situation, is not something strange to think the athlete can improve of 5-7 minutes, this is normal when athletes able running 2:25 (women) or 2:07 (men) with hard training but without a right methodological strategy finally go under a coach with experience in the advanced way of training.
Here everybody speaks about doping or shoes, but the main reason for top performances Always remains TRAINING, and not all coaches have the same knowledge and the same impact on the athletes.
A Coach is like a golf caddie . A PGA golfer is obligated to compliment his caddie , but Tiger Woods could have won all his majors by carrying his own clubs.
You realize most golfers have a coach-like figure to help them with their swing?
Molly Huddle is an American who should be able, based on her lower distance times, to make that leap from 2:25 to 2:20, but very few people can do it, especially at this age.
A friend set a 2:59 PB last year on a downhill course then a few months later ran 2:53 at NY using super shoes for the first time. He’s a believer (in the shoes)
Yeah, for an example of one who did look no further than Sara Hall.
Maybe you make confusion between the coach and the driver of the car while following the athletes on the road. I don't know anything about golf, but doubt Tiger Woods could have won all his major without somebody teaching him thw right technique from the beginning.
A good coach is like a teacher, and without teacher there are not good students, also if are very clever.
Finally, I don't think you are who you are, and where you are, without the teachment of somebody in your life, starting from your parents when you were a child. Alone in the forest, you had only the chance to become like Tarzan, speaking the Language of monkeys, that sometimes are more intelligent than human beings.
You also have to consider how these races are run. Some random marathon in China, chances are the pacers, and/or the leaders, went out much slower than they would in Berlin or even Valencia. So, if you are going for the win, why go out at 2:20 pace when the field is running 2:27?
jhlkjhlkjhjlkhkl wrote:
yeah definitely the shoes....
c'mon people, in like 99% of cases where someone goes from an also ran to really good in their late 20s.....its the juice. she's as doped as kipchoge or el g
What about Mo Farah?
Renato Canova wrote:
Maybe you make confusion between the coach and the driver of the car while following the athletes on the road. I don't know anything about golf, but doubt Tiger Woods could have won all his major without somebody teaching him thw right technique from the beginning.
A good coach is like a teacher, and without teacher there are not good students, also if are very clever.
Finally, I don't think you are who you are, and where you are, without the teachment of somebody in your life, starting from your parents when you were a child. Alone in the forest, you had only the chance to become like Tarzan, speaking the Language of monkeys, that sometimes are more intelligent than human beings.
RIP "non coach". Great post by a true legend Mr. Canova. No man/woman is an island and nobody succeeds on their own.
That's one of the most impressive and consistent marathon resumes that I've ever seen! Ashete Bekele bettered her marathon PR 7 times in 8 years, and barely missed only twice.
2011 - 2:34:00 ... first marathon
2012 - 2:31:23 / 2:33:29 ... PR by 2:37
2013 - 2:40:22 / 2:32:23 / 2:27:47 ... PR by 3:36
2014 - 2:29:21 / 2:28:04 / 2:24:59 ... PR by 2:48
2015 - 2:23:43 / 2:26:55 ... PR by 1:16
2016 - 2:25:50 / 2:33:18 ... just missed PR by 2:07
2017 - 2:25:57 / 2:32:03 / 2:38:46A ... just missed PR by 2:14
2018 - 2:23:27 / 2:21:14 ... PR by 2:29
2019 - 2:22:55 / 2:20:14 ... PR by 1:00
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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