The official (and only) Ahmaud Arbery thread

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Words make sounds. I'm sure you can think of words that AA may have said that could change the opinion of most on this situation, but probably not your opinion.

I absolutely cannot think of something Arbery could have said that should change anyone's opinion. Please provide an example.

Final strides as he jogs up to the truck - The McMichaels yell: "Stop right there! I said, stop! We need to talk with you, stop right now , this is a Citizens Arrest!!"

AA ignores them and their continued pleas to stop and jogs to the right side of the truck then turns hard left and charges TM stating "Ya gonna DIE WMFer!!!!!!"

Since AA felt it was appropriate to speak that way to law enforecment when questioned while "chillin" in the park, in my above example the full words would be stated, not the acronym I list to keep it appropriate for this web site.

Tell me how that doesn't change things?

Ward Cleaver wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I absolutely cannot think of something Arbery could have said that should change anyone's opinion. Please provide an example.

Final strides as he jogs up to the truck - The McMichaels yell: "Stop right there! I said, stop! We need to talk with you, stop right now , this is a Citizens Arrest!!"

AA ignores them and their continued pleas to stop and jogs to the right side of the truck then turns hard left and charges TM stating "Ya gonna DIE WMFer!!!!!!"

Since AA felt it was appropriate to speak that way to law enforecment when questioned while "chillin" in the park, in my above example the full words would be stated, not the acronym I list to keep it appropriate for this web site.

Tell me how that doesn't change things?

That wouldn't change a thing. The attempted citizens arrest was illegal. Your "Ya gonna DIE WMFer!!!!!!" proves you're defense of the McMichaels is based on racism.

Let's cut to the chase (no pun intended). Should the McMichaels be acquited? Suspended sentence, probation and community service?

We will have to agree to disagree on your first paragraph.

As I have said numerous times, I do not know Georgia law and don't believe we have been privy with all the facts so I can't predict the outcome. I have also stated what I hope shows up for facts to help prevent a firestorm of riots/looting/deaths/etc. Did you also not see my comment about that?

The recording of the shooting, meaning its full duration showing its leadup, along with any audio portion, are evidence. That audio portion could be crucial evidence and could strengthen or weaken argument for either side.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

That wouldn't change a thing. The attempted citizens arrest was illegal. Your "Ya gonna DIE WMFer!!!!!!" proves you're defense of the McMichaels is based on racism.

Let's cut to the chase (no pun intended). Should the McMichaels be acquited? Suspended sentence, probation and community service?

We will have to agree to disagree on your first paragraph.

As I have said numerous times, I do not know Georgia law and don't believe we have been privy with all the facts so I can't predict the outcome. I have also stated what I hope shows up for facts to help prevent a firestorm of riots/looting/deaths/etc. Did you also not see my comment about that?

Your claim that AA is responsible for his own death can only be based on your racism. I don't remember ever calling another poster a racust, so you're the first.

I will no longer respond to your posts,

Ward Cleaver wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I absolutely cannot think of something Arbery could have said that should change anyone's opinion. Please provide an example.

Final strides as he jogs up to the truck - The McMichaels yell: "Stop right there! I said, stop! We need to talk with you, stop right now , this is a Citizens Arrest!!"

AA ignores them and their continued pleas to stop and jogs to the right side of the truck then turns hard left and charges TM stating "Ya gonna DIE WMFer!!!!!!"

Since AA felt it was appropriate to speak that way to law enforecment when questioned while "chillin" in the park, in my above example the full words would be stated, not the acronym I list to keep it appropriate for this web site.

Tell me how that doesn't change things?

Yeah that verbal exchange would not change the fact that the McMichaels tried to illegally make a citizens arrest and initiated a confrontation that resulted in the death of someone trying to defend themselves. They'd still be guilty.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

We will have to agree to disagree on your first paragraph.

As I have said numerous times, I do not know Georgia law and don't believe we have been privy with all the facts so I can't predict the outcome. I have also stated what I hope shows up for facts to help prevent a firestorm of riots/looting/deaths/etc. Did you also not see my comment about that?

Your claim that AA is responsible for his own death can only be based on your racism. I don't remember ever calling another poster a racust, so you're the first.

I will no longer respond to your posts,

If a blue dude failed to avoid getting caught by a couple of guys in their trucks because he didn't leave the paved roadway while being "chased", then jogged right up to one of the guys and tried to take his gun, I would definitely say that the blue dude made some bad mistakes that day, just like AA,and it wasn't because he was a blue man.

Thanks for the warning, and I have never ever been called a racust, or even a racist, by any of my friends, family, athletes, or their parents, but I often get accused of being a realist.

Stay safe SDSU Aztec, and take care!

Ward

under a bridge wrote:

Yeah that verbal exchange would not change the fact that the McMichaels tried to illegally make a citizens arrest and initiated a confrontation that resulted in the death of someone trying to defend themselves. They'd still be guilty.

You may be right that it was and illegal Citizens Arrest, but if that is the case, it seems hard to believe that gives AA a free pass to threaten someones life and charge at them and try and disarm them, or kill the parson holding the gun. Like I said, I know nothing about Georgia law and have never stated that I have. I guess that is what the courts are for?

He has the legal right to defend himself regardless of what words he chooses while doing so. This has been pointed out to you, repeatedly. But you don't like facts, which has also been pointed out repeatedly.

Huh? Is this referring to only Ward Cleaver? What did he post which is racist? Or is an inference being made that only a racist wouldn't hold Arbery completely blameless in his death?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Your claim that AA is responsible for his own death can only be based on your racism. I don't remember ever calling another poster a racust, so you're the first. I will no longer respond to your posts,

under a bridge wrote:

He has the legal right to defend himself regardless of what words he chooses while doing so. This has been pointed out to you, repeatedly. But you don't like facts, which has also been pointed out repeatedly.

Okay, copy and paste the post that shows someone has shared that it is perfectly legal to scream whatever they like, including a death threat, while attacking someone, and somehow spin that into self defense.

I actually like facts, especially when I can use video that has sound to get the best possible full version of what I'm watching and seeing. What types of facts do you like? Only the ones that fit your narrative?

It has been pointed out to you that he has a right to defend himself. I'm not going to copy and paste the posts. It's just an endless cycle of you denying it awhile responding by misconstruing the details of the case and the pattern repeats in perpetuity. It's a waste of time.

[quote]Ernest wrote:

The recording of the shooting, meaning its full duration showing its leadup, along with any audio portion, are evidence.

That audio portion could be crucial evidence and could strengthen or weaken argument for either side.

[quote]

Are you sure about that? I thought the only evidence that could be used in a court of law was that shared on Let's Run and shown on TMZ.

Ward Cleaver wrote:would you not be willing to agree that that could and would change the outcome of this case?

Hmmm how can I put this in your language....

No! I know this is hard for you to grasp but Arbery is a freeman! He has been under no legal obligation for many years now to listen to any “catcher” nor be mindful of how he speaketh to “white folk”!![/quote]

So it is true.

It's YOU who doesn't want the facts. Why would you not want to listen to what was actually said by all parties in the video clips. Are you afraid of the truth? Are you afraid of the facts?

All I want is all the facts to come out and for true justice to be served, whomever that favors I don't care. You, however, seem to be perfectly fine with missing facts as long as it helps the one you support. Simply shameful but shows a true Relection_ of YOUR character.[/quote]

Your question posed was “would” a fact change things NOT “should” a fact be admissible. You and your misguided replies are dismissed!

under a bridge wrote:

It has been pointed out to you that he has a right to defend himself.

That's obvious and I have no problem with that. But THAT is not what you previously stated.

I'm not going to copy and paste the posts.

Of course not, because they simply do not exist.

It's just an endless cycle of you denying it awhile responding by misconstruing the details of the case and the pattern repeats in perpetuity.

I feel the same when we are supposedly watching the same video, yet have completely different takes on what happened in a couple of seconds of a video that has only partial sound.

It's a waste of time.

Time to head back under the bridge then.

Replies in bold above.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Reflection_ wrote:

No I don’t believe it is possible that one side of the coin makes the other side any less of a coin!!

Right! Try spending a quarter that says not legal currency on one side.

It would not be a quarter but it would still be a coin!

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Your claim that AA is responsible for his own death can only be based on your racism. I don't remember ever calling another poster a racust, so you're the first.

If he's a troll as many suspect, he probably has as little regard for you as he does for Arbery or anyone else, so it could be race-blind anti-social behavior.

I will no longer respond to your posts,

Good idea.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Okay, copy and paste the post that shows someone has shared that it is perfectly legal to scream whatever they like, including a death threat, while attacking someone, and somehow spin that into self defense.

I actually like facts, especially when I can use video that has sound to get the best possible full version of what I'm watching and seeing. What types of facts do you like? Only the ones that fit your narrative?

This is why everyone needs to stop engaging him: it has been show time after time that the McRednecks were assaulting AA by brandishing weapons and chasing him for over 4 minutes, yet somehow, in this turds twisted mind, AA is the one guilty of assault. The fat a$$ rednecks were standing their ground. Riiiight. It's almost psychopathic this type of delusion.

Just stop responding. He will only stop if we stop. There is no reasoning with him.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Reflection_ wrote:

This isn’t an emotional case it’s a criminal one...the facts you ignore Deflector is solid. If the verdict ends up being a not guilty one it will just join the lists of countless injustices. Or do you think OJ is innocent?

I think you should ask Armstronglivs and Ernest about Emotional, Criminal and Civil cases and how that relates to this case and OJ's.

Deflector just about everything you have spoken on has been what you think. So I will deny this distractions just like all your other ones!