Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

Someone didn't get the memo.

Jackie Blue wrote:

Basically, when you edit a run you are only editing the summary. These edits are persisted on the servers but there is no functionality in Nike+ to modify way points, pace information, or GPS signal data. So those remain unchanged from the time the run is synchronized to the servers.

How about this: You create (not edit) a run in another running app and upload that in Nike+. It's possible to create all the points, you just have to make little dots on a map. You add time, temperature, etc and voila. The program converts it into a .gpx and voila, you have run Haddon Turkey Trot. It even shows up on Strava 'Uzhorod and 54 others ran Haddon Turkey Trot.' The splits are usually a bit strange since it just takes the mean of the total time but I'm sure you can fumble with that too.

Kenneth StiLLman wrote:

Yes the only surefire way to avoid confusion is to capitalize L and lowercase i in your name.

SmartRunnr was famous for doing this. Whenever anybody would complain he would rant that people shouldn't care since this is an anonymous board anyways. It was almost immediately after the handle theft.

Pretty immature trolling tactic to use whenever someone gets the best of you.

By my reckoning there's four Kenneth Stillman's:

Kenneth Stillman

Kenneth Sti'll'man

Kenneth Sti'l'lman

Kenneth Stil'l'man

and now Kenneth StiLLman and of course the original LMR Kenneth Stillman. Scary. I've forgotten which one I am.

GregTR wrote:

And this is precisely why I said that until Rossi provides access to the original raw data I don't care what he posts because it can all be made up.

You probably posted before my previous reply to Fat hurts, but my point is that making the run public from Nike+ is providing the raw data. And it doesn't require any in depth knowledge to do this so there is no restriction to him doing it. The only reason to not post it is because he knows it would be discovered to be doctored.

The only way he can fake that data at this point would be to actually cover the course in the time he claims at the pace he showed (remember it was fairly steady green) and then to edit the date (being sure to get the start time wrong again). But hell, even then there is a nice little attribute "syncDate" that would be too far past the actual run date to make any sense.

You wouldn't even need to look at the raw data to see that he cheated if he shared the run. WHhle you can change the summary data to display whatever, the Nike polar app will also display a pace graph for publicly shared runs showing you the pace at any given point in the run. This won't change based on an editing of the summary. Thus, you can see if he was actually running 6:30 pace at any point in the race or was he slow at the beginning while passing 600 odd people.

In fact, if you look at the twitter video he posted, when he clicks on the race map, the app is in the process of showing the pace graph in the lower part of the screen, but Mikey ever so conveniently zooms into the upper part so that you can't see what pace he was running. I'm sure he had to practice that zooming a bunch of times to get it right. He took way more time making that video than he would have if he just clicked on the twitter share button in the app. But we know Mikey likes to do things the difficult way (except for running races of course).

Kenneth StiIIman wrote:

Kenneth StiLLman wrote:

Yes the only surefire way to avoid confusion is to capitalize L and lowercase i in your name.

SmartRunnr was famous for doing this. Whenever anybody would complain he would rant that people shouldn't care since this is an anonymous board anyways. It was almost immediately after the handle theft.

Pretty immature trolling tactic to use whenever someone gets the best of you.

By my reckoning there's four Kenneth Stillman's:

Kenneth Stillman

Kenneth Sti'll'man

Kenneth Sti'l'lman

Kenneth Stil'l'man

and now Kenneth StiLLman and of course the original LMR Kenneth Stillman. Scary. I've forgotten which one I am.

Will the real Ken Stillman please stand up, please stand up?

Or stay seated. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself now.

Liar and cheat Mike Rossi doesn't want facts. Latest tweet:

"Fake friends believe in rumors, real friends believe in you."

NO ONE BELIEVES IN YOU MIKE. NO ONE. Well maybe Satan BUT NO ONE ELSE.

He's never going to face the truth BECAUSE HE CAN'T HANDLE DA TROOT.

theREALsmokingGunner wrote:

Kenneth StiIIman wrote:

By my reckoning there's four Kenneth Stillman's:

Kenneth Stillman

Kenneth Sti'll'man

Kenneth Sti'l'lman

Kenneth Stil'l'man

and now Kenneth StiLLman and of course the original LMR Kenneth Stillman. Scary. I've forgotten which one I am.

Will the real Ken Stillman please stand up, please stand up?

Or stay seated. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself now.

Pretty easy to tell them apart:

OG Ken aka LMR: is against US military and vets but is pro confederate and Nazis; is against homosexuals and same-sex marriage and is divorced himself; is against bullying of him but pro bullying by him; feels that a letter to a female principal was denigrating and stands against that by denigrating sexual remarks about a meteorologist and by slurring M's wife; hates wedding professionals who do not do a good job up to his standards because as one who had judgments against him by former clients and sued by the PA AG he has come to know the emotional harm he caused and now is a beacon against it; lives with his Mom (to help her out, definitely not the either way around); and derives his social affirmation from posting "we" on this thread, and alternately hating on everyone; overall leads an exemplary life but fails to meet the Flagpole definition of real man, is feeling crowded out of "his" thread, is sort of like Trump without the $, without the hair, stranger policy ideas, and another 250 lbs of pure life disappointment curdled into bitterness and distilled into hate, but with a glimmer of good still inside him that only Luke Skywalker can feel

Newest KS: does not like celebrants of Hannukkah, parodies OG Ken

Other KS: all same as Newest KS, just confusing OG Ken, these handles reveal not OG Ken because of at least minimal knowledge or training and running

TheDudeAbides wrote:

Liar and cheat Mike Rossi doesn't want facts. Latest tweet:

"Fake friends believe in rumors, real friends believe in you."

Oh, Mikey. You deliver every time.. What's there to believe in? Please enlighten us.

Uzhorod wrote:

How about this: You create (not edit) a run in another running app and upload that in Nike+. It's possible to create all the points, you just have to make little dots on a map. You add time, temperature, etc and voila. The program converts it into a .gpx and voila, you have run Haddon Turkey Trot. It even shows up on Strava 'Uzhorod and 54 others ran Haddon Turkey Trot.' The splits are usually a bit strange since it just takes the mean of the total time but I'm sure you can fumble with that too.

In that case the data would be missing the attribute: "appId":"NIKEPLUSGPS". I assuming of course that his claim is that he measured the run with his Nike+ app or device. If he was using Garmin or something else and synching into Nike+ I am sure you could sniff that out pretty quickly as well.

But yeah, if he really wanted to he could create his own data file complete with all of the data that you would expect coming the device he claims to have used and then load it up through the Nike+ API just as your iPhone or desktop application does. Hell, there are even projects on GitHub you could work with to get you on your way. As I said, if you have strong technical skills you can do this. But I think we can reasonably assume that this is not the case.

But maybe we can make a game out of this. Let's see who can make the most accurate VIA marathon simulation for Mike and load it into Nike+! Maybe Let's Run can give the winner money out of Mike's prize pool.

angrek wrote:

As someone his age that has flirted with 20 minutes for a few years and broken it just once, it just smells. I know everyone is different, but if I could run back to back 5 milers at 6:40 and 6:48, in a workout, I'd be running sub 20 easily and probably close to 19 flat. And to me that's the key, they were workouts, not three race days in a row. I have a friend a few years older that runs times like that daily, but then he also runs sub 3 regularly.

Exacltly . That is why I will brake 19 in my next attempt . Their are no worries .

Remember I braked my ankle during the Turky Trot after 2 miles in 12:12

Uzhorod wrote:

Oh, Mikey. You deliver every time.. What's there to believe in? Please enlighten us.

Read and weap: My 19 flat .

Tooth Fairy. Easter Bunny. Donald Duck. Santa Claus. And his BFF, Mephistopheles. Okay, only the last one is real. For him anyway.

Uzhorod wrote:

Oh, Mikey. You deliver every time.. What's there to believe in? Please enlighten us.

PhillytoBoston wrote:

Uzhorod wrote:

Oh, Mikey. You deliver every time.. What's there to believe in? Please enlighten us.

Read and weap: My 19 flat .

I'm sobbing. Still in the game?

On another note: Mike must have picked the worst tailor in the Western Hemisphere. Man those suits look awful.

RunnrsRUs wrote:

In fact, if you look at the twitter video he posted, when he clicks on the race map, the app is in the process of showing the pace graph in the lower part of the screen, but Mikey ever so conveniently zooms into the upper part so that you can't see what pace he was running.

I noticed that too. But the iPhone app does not provide a scale to that graph so there was really nothing to hide.

Out of curiosity, what is the consensus here on the original source of the "shared" run? He was pretty steady on pace.

Light jog?

Bike?

I think light jog.

Rossi you idiot, I'm confused, are these the "real friends"?:

If Rossi believes they're his friends then he's also the kind of idiot that when he pays to go with a hooker and she says:

"Mikey I love you, you're so masculine, you're the best I've ever had, you've given me three orgasms in five minutes..."

he believes her.[/quote]

Looks like he embarrassed himself (hard to believe I know) with that one above and this one cos he's deleted them both:

[quote]PhiI McCrackin wrote:

You just won this thread.

It's safe to say, I'm an expert in web apps. So feel free to get as technical as you like.

If he has no ability to edit once it is uploaded to the server then he could edit the data before it is uploaded. I don't know the details of the app to know how tricky it is to do, but it certainly can be done, probably without much serious hacking.

Does this app do the upload as soon as your workout is complete or do you have the option to store it locally first? If it's the later then it wouldn't be that hard to fake an entire workout.

But still much too hard for Mike, I suppose.

MIkey seems sad. Get use to it as it keeps going downhill you lying cheater.

Imagine yourself 5 years, 10 years from now. Yeah, it's a horror story and not just for you.

Go put on that Boston gear and fill up the glass. Let those tweets rip.

You know you cheated at Via. Remember that day and revel in your self-righteous indignation. You deserved to run Boston, you deserve the love and adoration denied to you by the likes Kelly and Cecily. It makes you mad. Real mad.

And one of the greatest cheats in all of running in all history.

That's something.

Mike wins.