If this is global warming ...

fgfg wrote about "who cares" post :

good post

HA HA HA HA!!!

That was an absolute disaster of a post. After such an assessment, what credibility do YOU have left?? Zilch.

One only needs to he read "H2Oyeah" 's posts, and some of the other people's posts on this thread with a clue....the one's defending global warming as a real phenomenon that is influenced by man, and then compare them to the naysayer's posts on the other hand and in about 5 seconds you realize who knows that they are talking about and who doesn't.

And the last defense of the losers on the other side always is:

" You're being arrogant by knowing what you are talking about and proving that we are wrong. You are making us feel stupid just because we are making inane arguments and.....acting stupid. THAT'S NOT FAIR! And oh yeah, Al Gore is a liberal loser. So there.....we win, Global Warming doesn't exist. And neither does evolution. Arrogant jerks...with your facts and knowledge! DAMN YOU! Why don't you go marry Osama bin Laden, since you love him so much. Maybe THAT will end Global Warming, huh? Or go marry a monkey, since you think you are related to them anyway. Arrogant jerks with your reason and science. George Bush doesn't need reason and science. No siree. He relies on instinct and God's word. Now THAT is the way to make decisions!"

And on and on and on it goes......

It's funny...because YOU just made the most childish post I've seen yet in this thread...

poodles freak me out wrote:

Yes it is global warming. Major companies all over the world have accepted it and are planning the future with this in mind. Of course in the USA its up for debate.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention as to why these companies are supposedly "accepting this". They are doing it so that they can work together to come up with easier restrictions on their own terms. This way they aren't forced to much tougher standards by fighting the system and waiting a few years.

freely associated runner wrote:

dude, its a process.

west coast- warmest year on record.

"On record" being the key part of this phrase. How many years has the earth been around? How many years do we actually have records for?

I saw this on MSN.com's front page today and thought it was interesting:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16593606/

I think that global warming is a problem and that as one of the most advanced nations in the world we have an obligation to address it. No, I don't think the world will end tomorrow and I don't agree with everything Al Gore says (although I think he is on the right path). I just think that if we could be doing things better (i.e. renewable energy, hybrid cars, more recycling, etc.) that we should put those resources to use.

It's time we started taking better care of the environment.

jacabo wrote:

I think that global warming is a problem and that as one of the most advanced nations in the world we have an obligation to address it.

just wanted to add that we are not only one of the most advanced nations in the world, we are also the world's biggest producer of carbon dioxide (although China is likely to pass us at some point). last i heard, the U.S. had about 5% of the worlds population (300 million out of 6 billion), and it produced 25% of the world's carbon dioxide. i will readily acknowledge that this is a stat that is difficult to measure accurately and that can be misleading - for example, which country should be allocated carbon dioxide that is from manufacturing of products that are produced in one country and consumed in another. nevertheless, as a wealthy country with a bad habit for overconsumption and plentiful open space to cause increases in driving distances, it's pretty clear that the U.S. disproportionately contributes to the amount of man-made carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere.

How F U C K I N G Stupid wrote:

So if I get rid of my Ford Expedition and buy some tiny pussy car, I'm gonna save the world is that right?! F*** that.

What's smaller than 'some tiny pussy car'? Some tiny pussy runner. You better watch out, you probably are what you detest the most. By running and being physically active you are helping to reduce green house gases (assuming that you are a runner - with your distinct lack of self esteem - need a big care to prove how big a man you are - you're probably just one of those penguins).

Classic straw man. No one said any of that. You attack on a position held by no one. My concern with arrogance is more inline with the position Fritz Hayek took in his lecture "Pretence To Knowledge". The use of vague inexact science to make world sweeping social policy recommendation. Climate Science as a Trojan horse for the defeated ideas of socialism.

TPR wrote:

with your distinct lack of self esteem - need a big care to prove how big a man you are -

Sure dickhead. That's exactly why everyone drives SUV. It has nothing to do with towing or hauling or safety. It's all so we can feel like big me.

Medgar Evers Committed Suicide wrote:

TPR wrote:

with your distinct lack of self esteem - need a big care to prove how big a man you are -

Sure dickhead. That's exactly why everyone drives SUV. It has nothing to do with towing or hauling or safety. It's all so we can feel like big me.

So before SUV's nobody towed or hauled? As to the safety question I think that it has been determined that SUV's suck as much as you when it comes to making the driver and everyone around them safer. When's the last time anyone you know has used an SUV for it's intended purpose. Oh of course you are excluded because you are a real man, but how about everyone else? The point being is that it isn't your birthright to be wasteful. 99% of SUV owners do not need SUV's. It's a waste whether you believe in Global Warming or not...

Medgar Evers Committed Suicide wrote:

Sure dickhead. That's exactly why everyone drives SUV. It has nothing to do with towing or hauling or safety. It's all so we can feel like big me(n).

yup, you got it right. No one who drives an SUV does so because of the image(tough and strong and successful) they think it projects. Suuuuure....

And "safety" ?? Are you kidding me? Many SUV's aren't any safer than smaller cars. Some roll over like crazy, and many are complete hazards to have if you have children around, because the blind spot behind you is gigantic, and there's been a slew of cases in the last few years of SUV drivers backing over their kids or neighbor's kids, because they can barely see behind them (many more cases than in the pre-SUV past). As tragic as that is, I guess it's evolution at work though (kids born to parents like that didn't have much of chance anyway).

Medgar Evers Committed Suicide wrote:

Sure dickhead.

your chosen name is beyond tasteless.

for those who don't know anything about the life and assassination of civil rights figure Medgar Evers, here's a link to some basic information:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Global Warming by definition is simply the warming of the earth. What is debatable is how much are humans to blame? Records show that the earth will have long spells of warmer and cooler weather. Google: Little Ice Age.

Nothing ever stays the same. In 100 years we may see record cold temperatures and record cold years instead of the record hot years we've had recently.

Alan

Alan,

"Things change, so why worry" is not a very meaningful analysis.

The fact that changes have occurred in the past does not imply that current changes are not cause by human CO2 emissions. Past climate changes had a cause. Current climate change has a cause. Just because OTHER things can also change the climate, that does not constitute an argument against the overwhelming evidence that the change is this time driven by CO2, mainly from coal.

For example, consider that John Browne, the CEO of British Petroleum has said: "the reduction of greenhouse gases is a soluble problem, and it is time to move beyond the Kyoto debate". Even the chairmen of some global energy companies have acknowledged the science of global climate change and turned to the job of developing new technology to replace coal. John Browne is not a 'tree hugging liberal who gets his information from the internet'... he's the CEO of a multinational energy company.

People like fgfg will never bother to read the science on this subject... they will just continue to assert that the science is equivocal (including great arguments like 'peer-review is so limp-dick', my personal favorite), without discussing particulars.

it realy bothers me that im going to be f***ed because of idiots who somehow still don't believe in global warming.

also, after seeing an inconvenient truth, i think i have lost all respect for america for allowing george bush to be elected over gore. though i understand that history is easier to judge.

which facts presented in an inconvenient truth are disputable? I don't mean to come across as someone who just saw the movie and assumes everything is true, but i've read published articles that claim global warming is just alarmists and that we should ignore it to help the economy, but the two sides don't seem to match at all. one seems based on greed, or at best the idea of helping out the lower classes, while the other seems based on fact and trying to save the earth.

and in reply to the guy saying that when he was in highschool his teachers warned him of a coming ice age, and now we speak of global warming: well first of all, your high school teacher may not have had the evidence we do now. secondly, global warming can lead to an ice age. should the north atlantic continue to melt, it's cold water would drift south, stopping the earth's natural flow of heated and cooled water. The last time this happened europe went into a 900 year ice age (that's straight from gore). Also, to the guy claiming we only have records dating back few hundred years: core samples from the north and south poles allow us to see past temperatures dating back hundreds of thousands of years, so actually we know a lot more about the earth's cycles than you seem to imply. (that's from gore as well as environmental science class)

kaitainen wrote:

Medgar Evers Committed Suicide wrote:

Sure dickhead.

your chosen name is beyond tasteless.

for those who don't know anything about the life and assassination of civil rights figure Medgar Evers, here's a link to some basic information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medgar_Evers

Much like "global warming", you believe your truth and I'll believe mine.

need a hug?

Medgar Evers Committed Suicide wrote:

Much like "global warming", you believe your truth and I'll believe mine.

do tell, what is this truth of yours? a man fighting for civil rights for african-americans was shot in the back. where is the ambiguity?

[quote]johnnyappleseeder wrote:

it realy bothers me that im going to be f***ed because of idiots who somehow still don't believe in global warming.

also, after seeing an inconvenient truth, i think i have lost all respect for america for allowing george bush to be elected over gore."

Hahaha....oh wait, were you serious? Wow. I'm sorry. You must be one poor, miserable human being. Didn't mean to pile on.

signed, one of the big bad Conservatives who you believe are out to get you.

Climates are formed by a variety of factors, topography, winds, ocean currents, latitude etc. It is climate change because what happens if the gulf stream current is slowed as predicted. England and Northern Europe would experince much cooler temperatures and less percipitation. Another possible change is a warm current flowing towards the Antartic instead of a cold current would create more snow.