Which of these conspiracies do you believe?

EnlightenMe wrote:

independentthinker wrote:

1. Too many would need to be involved in a cover-up. Fly planes into towers to get support for a war? What about recordings from the crashed plane?

2. Too many would need to be involved in a cover-up. 3rd party evidence exists in abounds.

3. I wouldn't rule it out, but he tried to kill himself, unsuccessfully, already.

4. Can't speak to this but maybe I'll look into it.

5. Anything other than the official story is vague enough that I could buy SOMETHING else happened, sure.

6. LOL. LQ went away after the Behind the Curve documentary where the flatters debunked themselves.

7. LOL. Where do you think all of the US money for the military goes?

8. LOL. Too many people involved, and for what?

9. LOL. They can't even unify around a conspiracy.

10. LOL. Too many people would need to be involved in a cover-up.

10. LOL

I’m not trying to fan any flames but what is the 3rd party evidence for the moon landings?

Also, the argument “too many people would need to be in on it” isn’t proof.

I’ve looked into the subject and the only proof is pretty much NASAs word and the grainy video footage and photos.

LookAtTheFacts73 wrote:

Raddison wrote:

To all those who believe the lunar landings were fake please respond to the following question:

Which conspiracy scenario took place?

A) The astronauts never left Earth. The Saturn V rocket was unmanned and splashed down in the Atlantic minutes after launch. The return to Earth consisted of shoving the capsule out of a Hercules.

B) The Saturn V was manned but the astronauts never left Earth orbit. This allowed for real footage of weightless astronauts. Everything else was fake.

C) Astronauts did go to the Moon but didn't land. This allowed for real footage of the moon's surface along with the Earth rising photos. Just the landing was faked.

Please respond with your selection and your reasons for supporting that conspiracy. And then start arguing among yourselves.

They fired an empty rocket.

Filmed the rest in a studio.

Easy.

And the American public fell for it.

Why does the answer need to be A,B,C?

Also, the moon is 384,000 km away. The furthest humans have been from the earth since 1972 is 400km. Which is lower earth orbit/ISS.

That’s the equivalent of saying “last weekend I ran 9 marathons without stopping” and then when I ask you to prove it, you manage to do one lap of a track before having to stop.

It’s ridiculous when you look at the facts, and you also pair it with the fact the Nixon administration were proven liars and corrupt.

LookAtTheFacts73===Peabrain wrote:

LookAtTheFacts73 wrote:

They fired an empty rocket.

Filmed the rest in a studio.

Easy.

And the American public fell for it.

Why does the answer need to be A,B,C?

Also, the moon is 384,000 km away. The furthest humans have been from the earth since 1972 is 400km. Which is lower earth orbit/ISS.

That’s the equivalent of saying “last weekend I ran 9 marathons without stopping” and then when I ask you to prove it, you manage to do one lap of a track before having to stop.

It’s ridiculous when you look at the facts, and you also pair it with the fact the Nixon administration were proven liars and corrupt.

Sure thing Mr. Ridiculous. Everyone was in on it, including the fake astronauts and their families. Too funny how conspiracy theorists work their tiny brains. I mean WOW, just WOW! That wasn't the astronauts walking into it that day, it was a fake film made in a studio!!!! LOL!!!!!

Legit question wrote:

Just take a close look at a still shot of any Apollo actorNOT on the "moon". You see no blast craters underneath the lunar module. Photos show intersecting shadows that shouldn't be there with a single light source.

The actorNOTS NEVER EVER demonstrated feats of strength that would be apparent in a 1/6 gravity environment. For example, a space suit weighed 180 lbs on Earth, if an actorNOT weighed 180 lbs too, then the total weight on the moon would be 60 lbs. These actorNOTS could have EASILY overhead pressed each other in front of a camera and thrown each other into the moon "air" to prove how "strong" they were.

A VHF transmitter with 1960's battery technology had a range of 50 miles and that was on a good day. However, the laws of physics were clearly broken. This transmitter managed to punch through over 230,000 miles including the Van Allen radiation belts, and broadcasted flawless video and audio back to Earth. No freaking way, that was pure science FICTION.

It was all fake. We never went to the Moon.

Furthermore, ball earthers keep gong back to the Foucault Pendulum to prove Earth is rotating. It doesn't work.

The Foucault Pendulum is to point out that when the pendulum experiment has been recreated and put into motion, the pendulum has often been seen to rotate in excess, in shortness, or in an opposite direction from the direction it should have traveled according to theory. At times it does not rotate at all. {B]Those scientists who have repeated the experiment have freely admitted that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.”

In the unmotorized Foucault Pendulum experiment the pendulum is, as we will read below, generally inconsistent in its movements. Because of air resistance and the impossibility of perpetual motion, the unmotorized pendulum will only move for a limited period before needing to be reset. In motorized Foucault Pendulums, as seen in museum exhibits, it is the repetitive machinery which imparts the repeating lateral bias that creates the regular results seen for the museum's visitors.

Thus, the experiment is entirely invalid as a demonstration of diurnal rotation.

I will repeat: it's never been shown by ANY scientist via a test or experiment that proves that the earth spins.

The Earth is flat and does not spin.

ComeOnBro478 wrote:

Legit question wrote:

Just take a close look at a still shot of any Apollo actorNOT on the "moon". You see no blast craters underneath the lunar module. Photos show intersecting shadows that shouldn't be there with a single light source.

The actorNOTS NEVER EVER demonstrated feats of strength that would be apparent in a 1/6 gravity environment. For example, a space suit weighed 180 lbs on Earth, if an actorNOT weighed 180 lbs too, then the total weight on the moon would be 60 lbs. These actorNOTS could have EASILY overhead pressed each other in front of a camera and thrown each other into the moon "air" to prove how "strong" they were.

A VHF transmitter with 1960's battery technology had a range of 50 miles and that was on a good day. However, the laws of physics were clearly broken. This transmitter managed to punch through over 230,000 miles including the Van Allen radiation belts, and broadcasted flawless video and audio back to Earth. No freaking way, that was pure science FICTION.

It was all fake. We never went to the Moon.

Furthermore, ball earthers keep gong back to the Foucault Pendulum to prove Earth is rotating. It doesn't work.

The Foucault Pendulum is to point out that when the pendulum experiment has been recreated and put into motion, the pendulum has often been seen to rotate in excess, in shortness, or in an opposite direction from the direction it should have traveled according to theory. At times it does not rotate at all. {B]Those scientists who have repeated the experiment have freely admitted that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.”

In the unmotorized Foucault Pendulum experiment the pendulum is, as we will read below, generally inconsistent in its movements. Because of air resistance and the impossibility of perpetual motion, the unmotorized pendulum will only move for a limited period before needing to be reset. In motorized Foucault Pendulums, as seen in museum exhibits, it is the repetitive machinery which imparts the repeating lateral bias that creates the regular results seen for the museum's visitors.

Thus, the experiment is entirely invalid as a demonstration of diurnal rotation.

I will repeat: it's never been shown by ANY scientist via a test or experiment that proves that the earth spins.

The Earth is flat and does not spin.

With you on the moon stuff.

Worlds round tho.

HowAboutYoudoSomeMaths wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Check the % of the budget spent on NASA back then vs today. Manned space exploration is expensive. What would the purpose be? Colonization? We aren't there yet. We will probably land someone on Mars before the we land on the Moon again. The Moon will basically be a staging ground for Mars Colonization.

Alan

Hi alan,

I have just crunched the numbers.

Using data from:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

From scratch (No NASA, no technology, just a pipe dream). From 1958-1972. The US govt officially spent $315.5bn adjusted for today’s dollars. So, in 14 years and $315.5bn dollars they managed to land 12 astronauts on the moon, in 6 separate missions.

Now, from 1972 - 2019. The total spend has been $847.2bn. With zero astronauts on the moon. In 47 years. They’ve had over 3x the amount of time. Over 2x the money. And all the advantages of not starting from scratch (IE. Having to figure it out). And yet no success.

It all smells too fishy.

Or maybe they just lost tech?! See below.

https://youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y

If your bullsh*t meter isn’t flashing on 10 now. Then you are an idiot.

Worlds a sphere, no such thing as lizard people, no illuminati, no crazy tin foil hats. But this one is for real.

1. 9/11 was an inside job

2. Moon landings were faked

3. Jeffrey Epstein was murdered

4. Princess Diana was bumped off by the British Royal Family

5. JFK - anything other than the official story IE. LHO acting alone

6. Flat Earth

7. Aliens at Roswell - Area 51

8. Sandy Hook crisis acting from “parents

9. Chemtrails

10. Holocaust deniers

Feel free to add more

doubter of official stories wrote:

Here's my take on these. I doubt the official stories, and I doubt the premises of the "conspiracies" listed.

1. 9/11 was an inside job

Not an inside job, but likely an elaborate plot by a select few of US and International people to profit from major wars. (I also think Osama Bin Laden is the same as the Dread Pirate Roberts from the Princess Bride--he never existed).

2. Moon landings were faked

Yes, and most of NASA/ space is phony.

3. Jeffrey Epstein was murdered

I think he's alive. I think that he was running a blackmail service for the Mossad, and trying to impregnate virgins with the best DNA on the planet. (Why has his New Mexico ranch not been raided by the FBI?!)

4. Princess Diana was bumped off by the British Royal Family

Probably. If not the Royal family, then some entity similar to hers. Her knowledge was dangerous in the correct hands, so she was eliminated.

5. JFK - anything other than the official story IE. LHO acting alone

Warren Report is full of holes. I think the Reagan attempted assassination is related to it. I think it's also tied to 9-11.

6. Flat Earth

Very likely flat. I think i've been a flat earther for most of my life--the globe model does not make sense to me. It may be possible that the earth is a realm, much like a battery.

7. Aliens at Roswell - Area 51

doubtful. I think Roswell/ Area 51 is controlled opposition. (Wave the left hand to hide the actions of the right hand).

8. Sandy Hook crisis acting from “parents

I don't believe the official story, but I'm unsure what the truth is.

9. Chemtrails

Yes. US government agencies have admitted weather modification for many years.

10. Holocaust deniers

I don't believe the Holocaust official story.

Feel free to add more

*General George S. Patton was murdered, and would have been President of the USA

*The suppressed evidence of the nation of Tartary (existinting as late as the 1860's)

*The existence of Nephilim Giants, and more; includes petrified giants and massive trees

*AIDS/ HIV does not exist

*Nuclear bombs to dot exist

*Global Warming/ Climate Change is a gigantic scam to create endless un-elected government bureaucracies o appease lobbyists and donors.

*The Federal Reserve was designed to enslave Americans into endless debt

*Route 91 shooting (Don't get me wrong--i know it happened, my friend's brother was shot in the leg, and other friends were separated for 10 hours in the melee. I don't think he acted alone. I think it's probably some MK-Ultra type scenario).

*Conservative media is controlled opposition, allowed by the CIA

*Michelle Obama is a man, and Barack Obama/ Barry Soetero was not born in the US, nor is he a citizen, and that his official story is incorrect.

*The "War on Drugs" is a gigantic money pit

wd40 wrote:

doubter of official stories wrote:

Here's my take on these. I doubt the official stories, and I doubt the premises of the "conspiracies" listed.

Not an inside job, but likely an elaborate plot by a select few of US and International people to profit from major wars. (I also think Osama Bin Laden is the same as the Dread Pirate Roberts from the Princess Bride--he never existed).

Yes, and most of NASA/ space is phony.

I think he's alive. I think that he was running a blackmail service for the Mossad, and trying to impregnate virgins with the best DNA on the planet. (Why has his New Mexico ranch not been raided by the FBI?!)

Probably. If not the Royal family, then some entity similar to hers. Her knowledge was dangerous in the correct hands, so she was eliminated.

Warren Report is full of holes. I think the Reagan attempted assassination is related to it. I think it's also tied to 9-11.

Very likely flat. I think i've been a flat earther for most of my life--the globe model does not make sense to me. It may be possible that the earth is a realm, much like a battery.

doubtful. I think Roswell/ Area 51 is controlled opposition. (Wave the left hand to hide the actions of the right hand).

I don't believe the official story, but I'm unsure what the truth is.

Yes. US government agencies have admitted weather modification for many years.

I don't believe the Holocaust official story.

*General George S. Patton was murdered, and would have been President of the USA

*The suppressed evidence of the nation of Tartary (existinting as late as the 1860's)

*The existence of Nephilim Giants, and more; includes petrified giants and massive trees

*AIDS/ HIV does not exist

*Nuclear bombs to dot exist

*Global Warming/ Climate Change is a gigantic scam to create endless un-elected government bureaucracies o appease lobbyists and donors.

*The Federal Reserve was designed to enslave Americans into endless debt

*Route 91 shooting (Don't get me wrong--i know it happened, my friend's brother was shot in the leg, and other friends were separated for 10 hours in the melee. I don't think he acted alone. I think it's probably some MK-Ultra type scenario).

*Conservative media is controlled opposition, allowed by the CIA

*Michelle Obama is a man, and Barack Obama/ Barry Soetero was not born in the US, nor is he a citizen, and that his official story is incorrect.

*The "War on Drugs" is a gigantic money pit

Securing Control of World Trade Center Complex

The first step in the preparation of the 9/11 attacks was to secure the control of the WTC into private hands. This was crucial to the success of 9/11 because without complete control over this complex there would be no opportunity or possibility of setting explosive charges in place as the coup de grâce in bringing the towers to the ground.

1) Larry Silverstein -- Larry is a Jewish American businessman from New York. Larry obtained a 99 year lease on the entire world trade center complex on 24 July, 2001. The towers were nearly worthless,being filled with asbestos, yet Larry “felt a compelling urge to own them”. Larry had breakfast in "Windows on the World" restaurant (107th Floor North Tower) every single morning. Larry was absent from this routine meeting on the morning of September the 11th. Larry’s two children, who also worked in the WTC, conveniently decided to take the day off as well. Larry Silverstein scored more than $4.5 Billion in insurance money as a result of the destruction of his complex. Silverstein was personal friends with Zionist media-magnate Rupert Murdoch, former Israeli president & infamous Zionist war criminal Ariel Sharon, as well as Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu. Silverstein was such good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu that he would speak with him on the phone every single sunday.

https://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=5367.0

wd40 wrote:

wd40 wrote:

Securing Control of World Trade Center Complex

The first step in the preparation of the 9/11 attacks was to secure the control of the WTC into private hands. This was crucial to the success of 9/11 because without complete control over this complex there would be no opportunity or possibility of setting explosive charges in place as the coup de grâce in bringing the towers to the ground.

1) Larry Silverstein -- Larry is a Jewish American businessman from New York. Larry obtained a 99 year lease on the entire world trade center complex on 24 July, 2001. The towers were nearly worthless,being filled with asbestos, yet Larry “felt a compelling urge to own them”. Larry had breakfast in "Windows on the World" restaurant (107th Floor North Tower) every single morning. Larry was absent from this routine meeting on the morning of September the 11th. Larry’s two children, who also worked in the WTC, conveniently decided to take the day off as well. Larry Silverstein scored more than $4.5 Billion in insurance money as a result of the destruction of his complex. Silverstein was personal friends with Zionist media-magnate Rupert Murdoch, former Israeli president & infamous Zionist war criminal Ariel Sharon, as well as Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu. Silverstein was such good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu that he would speak with him on the phone every single sunday.

https://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=5367.0

Cohen's Fire Sale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC4DaYGFC8o