A high school kid ran 13:25 and Letsrun is basically meh

its the shoes. hard to care about time trials these days. Sport is interesting for who beats who not how fast they ran in a paced time trial.

It happened just before midnight on Sunday….

Except when someone like Centrowitz outfoxes the world’s best for an Olympic gold medal, all anyone can do is talk about the finishing time. This is quite the schizophrenic place.

That was in a different generation where times still mattered. Since 2019 most people i know only care about who beats who at a big race, not what you can do in a sterile time trial environment.

Everyone has gotten insanely fast at all levels. HS kids of today could be challenging Steve Prefontaine at his best. Sub 4 is no guarantee of all conference in college. Sub 4 won't even win d3. Collegians are now running sub 13. At the elite level, times in the 1230s are being run.

Between wavelight tech and the shoes, times aren't what they used to be.

The funny thing is Centro was probably winning that race one way or another. His masterpiece was awaiting to be unleashed that day. He's medaled at worlds. His gold was no fluke, just a matter of execution meeting opportunity. Anyone trying to take away from his well earned gold is a clown.

That may be true, but the shoes aren’t new this year and he crushed the old record by almost 10 seconds. This is probably the first run to match/exceed Rupp’s old pre-shoe record.

iT's tHe sHOes. hArD tO cARe aBoUt TiME triAlS...

Derp.

True fans want the best runner to win… which wasnt the case

well argued. Top marks.

Correct, but that's just how humans are. We have a tendency to find whatever we can to criticize about a thing or a person and talk it up as if that's the only thing that matters. Part of growing up is learning to shut up when the brain starts urging us to speak some mess of that kind.

I hate threads like this. I hadn’t heard about this race. Maybe others haven’t either, and that’s why we’re all “meh”

Who has the athlete? What was the race? Do you have a link to the recap? I look forward to getting suitably excited for what sounds like a phenomenal run.

Wavelight is literally only used at diamond league events. It’s all shoes.

There were three "Daniel MF Simmons" threads started within 60 seconds of his finish last night.

It's not "literally" only used there, but we get your point, and its a good point. Just easy on the literally part.

And yes, the shoes are fantastic.

But really it's the "recovery". LRC and track fans will never admit that over the legal public-facing elements that have changed (shoes, double T, bi-carb), but when you think critically for 2 seconds about the common threads in doping and whereabouts busts, it's the microdosing recovery and it's effect on increased training frequency and intensity.

Players are playing within the bounds of what can be enforced.

Shelby wasn't hittin that nandrolone as a flavor enhancing seasoning....

I drove out to watch the race and it was held under windy but otherwise great conditions.

The pace was hot but not insanely hot and the winner (Dylan Jacobs) ran 13:18. I was talking to the Hoka director of footware development, so all he really focused on was Futsum Z. and Wesley Kiptoo.

Totally lost in the pack was the fact that a high school kid was destroying the record. I couldn't hear the PA system, so maybe the announcers were losing their minds, but trackside, nobody was talking about it.

Honestly, 90% of the people there were there for Sifan Hassan (who ran two races), Cooper Teare, and Cole Hocker. I don't think anyone (I talked to) really knew who Daniel Simmons was going into this race. It is one of those "I've heard the name" kind of things but he is not from the NW, so we haven't been following his career.

I talked to Ken Goe (OG newspaper reporter) and asked him what his "performance of the meet" was and he said he really liked Nia Akins running 1:58 on a breezy night. We talked about a few other things (Hocker's 1:45) and neither of us mentioned the high school result.

Part of the problem is that kids are training full-time these days. It is the shoes, but it is also the fact that kids are getting excellent coaching, top equipment, amazing race opportunities, and are running a ton of miles starting in 6th grade.

The athletes are better now (and they have the shoes) but that also means I expect the times to be faster. Still, someone should have been hyping the hell out of that result, but I didn't hear it and I didn't see the many young fans flocking over to him.

p.s. Here are some of his splits:

200 - 33.44
600 - 1:37.83
1000 - 2:42.46
3000 - 8:10.29
4200 - 11:24.83
4600 - 12:28.32
5000 - 13:25.98 (closed in 57.66)

P.S. There were no wavelights at this meet.