Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

therealSmokingGunner wrote:

Ken types so fast and gets so emotional that this is the closest thing to exercise he will ever get.

Ken doesn't run because he can't. He gave up that option a long time ago when he discovered the nacho cheese oreo milkshake in an iv drip.

He stands for what is wrong in America today.

Without Ken posting this thread would have died a long time ago. I have moments where I wish he was actually being a troll, and then he would be the greatest troll that LRC has ever seen, but, sadly, Ken is just Ken. You can go out of your way to be offended by Ken, but, the truth is, he is his own worst enemy. His only accomplishment here, other than entertainment, is to damage his own reputation. Well, to be fair, he also actually got Mike Rossi to get some lawyer to write him a cease and desist letter. That was pure gold. Can you imagine a person who could possibly feel threatened by Ken and his insane ramblings? And then take such a pathetic ineffectual step; which is essentially the "legal" way for a grown man to say in a loud whiny voice, "stop it, I mean it, stop it, or else I'll tell mom on you". I guess a guy so insecure and unable to come to grips with his own inadequacies that he'd need to cheat at a marathon. The truth is, the Mike Rossi cheating story is short, obvious and not too interesting. But, Ken opening the door to the lives of the people who work in the wedding DJ industry in Philly, has been, well... it's not exactly a Cormac McCarthy novel, but it is still hard to imagine that these people actually exist. Truth is stranger than fiction.

It's time for a SUPER-INJUNCTION.

Mike, I am sure these are about the same price as a C & D, or maybe just a wee bit more.

(apologies to those who haven't read any other threads here)

LMR wrote:

You are comparing the result so real runners who have the physical capacity to keep up with each other to a cheating 47 year old and the 27 year old Marine that helped him?

Okay.

As long as you post, we shall never starve.

rexthebex gets an unofficial +1 (I am not authorized to speak for +1 guy) for his response.

Well said NY Runner

Ken - tá maluco ou tá comendo bosta escondido?

the clarifier wrote:

LMR wrote:

You are comparing the result so real runners who have the physical capacity to keep up with each other to a cheating 47 year old and the 27 year old Marine that helped him?

Okay.

As long as you post, we shall never starve.

rexthebex gets an unofficial +1 (I am not authorized to speak for +1 guy) for his response.

LMR,

Please immediately issue a retraction of your statement. It is bad enough that you disparage the military in general however it is completely wrong that you disparage and defame this specific Marine saying he did something dishonorable.

I hope that you can do the right thing here as I am hoping you just misspoke when you typed that.

Ken, now you defamed the Marine by stating AS FACT that he helped Mike cheat. It doesn't matter that you didn't post his name in this instance as his identity is easy to determine for anyone that cares to look.

Yeah, M. Duckster Rossi is "still in the game" of cheating, fraud.

Kenny is getting his revenge one person at a time. The AG today, MR tomorrow.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/kathleen-kane-charged-grand-jury-leak

LOL, Excellent! Best one yet!

Mike Ruiz wrote:

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Doubler wrote:

Ken, now you defamed the Marine by stating AS FACT that he helped Mike cheat. It doesn't matter that you didn't post his name in this instance as his identity is easy to determine for anyone that cares to look.

NO!

All my investigation was done BEHIND THE SCENES. And it was all done via nothing more than Internet searches and Facebook profiles. All just info that is available to anybody who knows how to search for something.

I trusted you, Derek, and YOU POSTED IT ON HERE.

YOU have made the accusations public. If this person finds out and is embarrassed the records will show that YOU posted my accomplice theory and it was your fault. And SarahB posted his name.

To this date I have never posted his name on here.

And for the record - a few others do agree with my theory and when we had the original investigation group we looked at several other people as possible accomplices. There were a few others that might have carried Mike's bib. There were a few that had no bib or altered bibs. And the one runner who got out way ahead of the pack and then disappeared after the half.

This is from the Runners World article from June 22:

The most common methods of cheating are course-cutting and bib-swapping. On some courses, it’s possible to cut off distance on foot, but on others, course-cutting requires the aid of a car, bike, or public transportation. Bib swapping can also take on a variety of forms. Race directors and timers have seen runners get faster athletes to run in their place, runners wearing multiple bibs or chips for the same purpose, and runners splitting up a race (handing off a bib and/or chip midway through).

So why is it so hard for you all to believe Mike wouldn't have somebody carry his bib for him is puzzling. Yeah, I know, there were no mats, blah blah blah. And I'm saying Mike didn't know that and was covering his ass by hiring an accomplice. In the past two months hasn't Mike proved how stupid he is? Why do you give him so much credit about how he cheated?

+1

By the way, I'm not the guy who gave +1 a couple hundred times throughout this thread. I did it a couple of times, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who posted under "Guy Who Gives +1" along the way. When this thread went to registered users only, I figured that was a funny handle, and was surprised when it wasn't taken. So it's mine now. I will use the power with respect.

In that vein, this deserves +1. Well stated, NYC Runner.

LMR wrote:

The most common methods of cheating are course-cutting and bib-swapping. On some courses, it’s possible to cut off distance on foot, but on others, course-cutting requires the aid of a car, bike, or public transportation. Bib swapping can also take on a variety of forms. Race directors and timers have seen runners get faster athletes to run in their place, runners wearing multiple bibs or chips for the same purpose, and runners splitting up a race (handing off a bib and/or chip midway through).

Your theory is none of those. Your theory is they both started the race, Mike handed his bib to the guy for some unknown reason, then Mike got it back for the finish. Why Mike had the guy hold his bib during the un-monitored middle of the race instead of just keeping it himself while he drove to the finish is never explained in your theory, but the whole thing makes no sense.

Name one other person who thinks your cockamamie theory makes any sense. And please tell us what difference it makes whether he cheated by having the bib in someone else's pocket while he drove to the finish or in his own pocket. Even if it's true (it's not impossible, just astronomically unlikely), so what?

Runners are the ones who thought that Mike's 3:11 made no sense relative to his other races and exposed him as a cheater. You would not have thought that on your own. It was runners' logic that humiliated the guy you hate. Maybe you should believe runners when they say your theory is illogical and makes no sense.

Because you are ignorant of running, you are wrong about the unlikelihood of two guys starting about the same time and you are wrong about a 27 yr old marine automatically being a faster marathoner than a 47 yr old. You thought a bib was ordinary paper that would get ruined by sweat or exposure and it's not. Just believe us: your theory makes no sense.

LMR wrote:

This is from the Runners World article from June 22:

The most common methods of cheating are course-cutting and bib-swapping. On some courses, it’s possible to cut off distance on foot, but on others, course-cutting requires the aid of a car, bike, or public transportation. Bib swapping can also take on a variety of forms. Race directors and timers have seen runners get faster athletes to run in their place, runners wearing multiple bibs or chips for the same purpose, and runners splitting up a race (handing off a bib and/or chip midway through).

Yet again - and you posted this before, your basic lack of understanding of running lets you down.

Firstly Runners World is a publication for people who aspire to run a 5K without walk breaks but setting that aside the above simply doesn't apply to what we know happened at Lehigh. The simplest explanation (he started, exited the course, drove to near the finish and rejoined the course) is the most likely. Indeed if you asked the author of the article you quote above and this person was completely accurately appraised of the facts of this race I am sure they would agree.

Another thing that has been bothering me about the Marine thing is that I am sure that they are outstanding individuals, dedicated, courageous, physically fit, strong but one thing they do not need to be is an outstanding distance runner, many may be but their basic running fitness requirement is here

http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-physical-fitness-test

Scroll down for the tables that have the minimum requirement for the 3 Mile run.

LMR wrote:

Doubler wrote:

Ken, now you defamed the Marine by stating AS FACT that he helped Mike cheat. It doesn't matter that you didn't post his name in this instance as his identity is easy to determine for anyone that cares to look.

NO!

All my investigation was done BEHIND THE SCENES. And it was all done via nothing more than Internet searches and Facebook profiles. All just info that is available to anybody who knows how to search for something.

I trusted you, Derek, and YOU POSTED IT ON HERE.

YOU have made the accusations public. If this person finds out and is embarrassed the records will show that YOU posted my accomplice theory and it was your fault. And SarahB posted his name.

To this date I have never posted his name on here.

http://www.runnersworld.com/racing/how-common-is-cheating-at-marathons

YES!

Ken, you stated as fact yesterday that a marine helped Mike cheat. You are the only person who even thinks that such a ridiculous theory is plausible, and you are the only person who has come onto this thread and stated as fact that he helped Mike cheat.

I used to have some sympathy for you. But you have a common trait with Mike .. the unwillingness to admit when you are wrong, or have done something wrong.

You should not have stated as fact that the marine helped Mike cheat and you should apologize for it.

Lejeune wrote:

the clarifier wrote:

As long as you post, we shall never starve.

rexthebex gets an unofficial +1 (I am not authorized to speak for +1 guy) for his response.

LMR,

Please immediately issue a retraction of your statement. It is bad enough that you disparage the military in general however it is completely wrong that you disparage and defame this specific Marine saying he did something dishonorable.

I hope that you can do the right thing here as I am hoping you just misspoke when you typed that.

I ask again, make clear that you did not intend to say a specific Marine did something dishonorable. Just make clear that you have a theory as opposed to fact. It is wrong for you to imply anything otherwise. You have a chance to make this right. Take it.

NYC Runner wrote:

Back to the basics...

Smart Runnr – if you are not Mike, and hard to believe you are not based on your unwavering support, then why are YOU so convinced Mike did not cheat? State ONE fact that supports your opinion that Mike Rossi ran all 26.2 miles at LVM. Calling out people on this forum as haters, or that there are no photos of Rossi cheating (seriously!?) are not convincing facts that refute 1) incompatible times in race history, 2) lack of race photos, and Mike being 3) Uncharacteristically quiet on social media after having the “race of your life.”

a) I never called anyone a hater.

b) I also never used the "no photos of Rossi cheating" argument.

Couple of facts that speak for Rossi here:

1) His large improvements in training (ask any runner from this area).

2) The race photos (that Greg downplayed their importance can only be explained with his bias).

3) Your 3) is a coincidence due to Mike's workload and private matters at that time (since then, he has repeatedly displayed his 3:11 achievement on social media).

4) The decision of the unbiased committee after weeks of thoroughly investigating (I provided the link).

5) Cheating would be so out of character for this devout Christian.

6) Cheating to BQ would also be pointless, for BQing is easy, and one can even run as a charity runner.

There is simply no case against Mike. The fact that the brojos and some trolls and Ken pretend otherwise doesn't mean much. Actually, it is quite likely that most if not all of the trolls are played by the brojos and Ken.

You will soon see how right I am, namely when Mike breaks the 20 min.