Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

LMR wrote:

Keep in mind, this individual who had some REALLY bad luck with his videographer is the same runner who started the race 2 seconds after Mike and finished 4 second before Mike. While two runners having the same pace is not unusual, according to my girlfriend with a masters degree in mathematics, two runners that just randomly start 30 seconds after the gun, and finish within seconds of each other 3 hours and 11 minutes later is an astronomical coincidence. We're talking Powerball odds.

And how a 47 year old DJ kept pace with a 27 year old Marine is even more amazing.

Ken - I've felt bad about all the abuse you've taken. But you really need to walk away.

The supposed article being written is absurd.

But saying that Mike and this person starting and finishing near each other in a marathon is "Powerball odds" is embarrassing. If it truly was Powerball, we'd have a ton of new millionaires at every marathon.

Reg Fields wrote:

At a small race like the LVM almost everyone starts within a few seconds of each other, especially people who are supposed to run around the same time. But you wouldn't know that because you don't participate in races.

This.

I have a PhD and teach statistics at a university. Unlike your girlfriend, I also run races and have observed what Reg said.

Let's see her calculations.

I'd take a sample of runners about the same finish time as Rossi and then for each look at those who finished with a few seconds of them and then check if they also started within a few seconds of them. My wild guess would be that it'd be about 20%, but that's just a guess. It'd be higher for the really small races I do and larger for a big race, but I don't know where it'd be for a race of about 1000.

Where did you find the start and finish times anyway? The basic results just give the net. I think the start and finish times were in the thread earlier, but I don't recall where they were from.

Maybe your girlfriend fit a distribution whereas my approach is more nonparametric, but I'd bet some of her assumptions were faulty.

Seriously, post her analysis. I honestly think it'd be interesting just from an academic angle.

LMR wrote:

Hey, Michael, what I tweet is my business. You just broke the rules of this thread by posting private information by copy and pasting my tweets.

what kind of person tweets about someone's kids????

Answer:

JUST STOP

Somehow you have turned a quest for running marathon results integrity by others into a platform for you to exercise your personal vendetta against someone. You can't succeed at it to your satisfaction so you go after his family. And you do it after time and again being told not to.

Even the mob doesn't do that.

disgusted runner wrote:

Ken likes nazis wrote:

Ken doesn't know history. Members of the SS felt it was an honor to serve and kill masses. The military would simply court marshall you... not kill your family.

I can't believe Ken would follow orders to kill thousands of innocent people because a superior officer said to.

Jesus Christ Ken

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utahgenerals wrote:

The point flew over your head wrote:

Jesus, Ken.

You missed the entire point of A Few Good Men.

What Ken wrote has made me so angry I thought twice about posting.

Ken, there are rules of engagement, a military code of conduct, and several conventions which prevent you from having to commit the atrocities perpetrated in germany.

You have no f*cking idea of what you are talking about. You are ignorant and tell others to study history?

You are a disgrace and could never have the honor required to serve.

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I have come to believe that it is hopeless to bring LMR to any common sense or decency. I will post no more.

LMR wrote:

And how a 47 year old DJ kept pace with a 27 year old Marine is even more amazing.

Wait. What? Just noticed this part.

Check the MCM results and I bet you'd find 27 year old Marines who are 5 hour marathoners. We all know that it's extremely unlikely that Rossi ran 3:11, but this is the weakest of the arguments against it.

Ken, don't talk about running. Every time you do you expose your ignorance about it.

More likely, Cheater-Tard Rossi ran 3:11:45 or the IAAF didn't cover up doping results?

Printer wrote:

Ken,

Two bibs with RF tracking attached to the same person cannot cross a timing mat at two different times.

Your tweets, and almost every other thing you do, are scaring me. Please leave this board and fight your battle elsewhere.

Once again, we all know MR cheated at the 2014 LVM and acts like a small, petty man child online.

Go away, Ken.

Who said the accomplice had two bibs on when the race started? The general consensus is that Mike started the race and then hung back and jumped in his car, right? So why couldn't the accomplice start the race and hang back and then get the bib from Mike? Maybe they both pretended to use the porta-potty and Mike left his big behind for the accomplice to pick up, fold it and slip it in his pocket with a zip-lok bag.

Wouldn't that explain why Mike's bib looks folded and in good shape in the finish line photos?

So much wrong - where to begin?

Anyone know what kind of timing chip LVM used? Was it attached to the bib? I haven't used a shoe chip in about 3-4 years, so I'm going to guess it was a timing chip attached to the bib. Now pay close attention, Kenny, because this is something you wouldn't know, because you have never run a race: it says right on the bib, "DO NOT FOLD THE BIB." So no, Kenny, you can't fold a bib.

Looking at the Lehigh results...

Runners NC and DC finished at 2:45, started 1 second apart, finished 1 second apart.

Runners SH and BS finished at 2:56, started 2 seconds apart, finished 2 seconds apart.

Runners DD and DP finished at 2:58, started 4 seconds apart, finished 3 seconds apart.

Runners JV and RC finished at 2:59, started 2 seconds apart, finished 1 second apart.

This is all in the top 36 runners. Look at all those astronomical coincidences.

(If you click on a runner in the results, and then click the "timing" tab, you can see start times.)

LMR wrote:

Who said the accomplice had two bibs on when the race started? The general consensus is that Mike started the race and then hung back and jumped in his car, right? So why couldn't the accomplice start the race and hang back and then get the bib from Mike? Maybe they both pretended to use the porta-potty and Mike left his big behind for the accomplice to pick up, fold it and slip it in his pocket with a zip-lok bag.

Wouldn't that explain why Mike's bib looks folded and in good shape in the finish line photos?

I'm sure this has been explained to you before, but the likely reason the bib was folded is that Mike took it off when he left the course, so he could walk/drive inconspicuously.

So predictable Ken..but it's OK to obtain private videos of a 'War Hero's' wedding to forward your agenda?

Wait, why does the accomplice have a zip-loc bag? That is a nice touch.

Lehigh had a bib chip.

LMR wrote:

Wouldn't that explain why Mike's bib looks folded and in good shape in the finish line photos?

a. Everybody's bib looks in good shape. Nothing happens to the bib. It's plasticy waterproof material.

b. In fact, wearing it would likely keep it better than shoving it in a pocket.

c. If it is folded, it could be because he put it in his own pocket during his off-course excursion or maybe took it home from the pickup that way.

I can't believe I'm even responding, but analysis of the appearance of his bib is just silly. And there is nothing that would indicate that someone else carried it.

I thought you were only interested in convincing others that Rossi cheated. The accomplice theory is silly, unnecessary and counterproductive to that goal.

Most cheating like you are guessing at with the chronotrack b-tags is done differently. The person who runs wears his bib and peels the tag off of the other bib. This way the cheater gets to keep their bib on and the real runner puts the tag in their pocket .There are many times where a lone runner will beep twice going over an intermittent or finishing mat. When this is heard they can be searched for evidence of cheating. It is actually caught more frequently than you can imagine. Rossi had his bib and chip intact with him on and off the course. He isn't smart enough to cheat even in the simplest of ways.

gatorade&vodka wrote:

Looking at the Lehigh results...

Runners NC and DC finished at 2:45, started 1 second apart, finished 1 second apart.

Runners SH and BS finished at 2:56, started 2 seconds apart, finished 2 seconds apart.

Runners DD and DP finished at 2:58, started 4 seconds apart, finished 3 seconds apart.

Runners JV and RC finished at 2:59, started 2 seconds apart, finished 1 second apart.

This is all in the top 36 runners. Look at all those astronomical coincidences.

(If you click on a runner in the results, and then click the "timing" tab, you can see start times.)

Of course, I asked Ken to look at the results to see if other runners had similar differentials and he didn't bother. Or he did, and ignored the data because he didn't fit.

gatorade&vodka wrote:

Looking at the Lehigh results...

Runners NC and DC finished at 2:45, started 1 second apart, finished 1 second apart.

Runners SH and BS finished at 2:56, started 2 seconds apart, finished 2 seconds apart.

Runners DD and DP finished at 2:58, started 4 seconds apart, finished 3 seconds apart.

Runners JV and RC finished at 2:59, started 2 seconds apart, finished 1 second apart.

This is all in the top 36 runners. Look at all those astronomical coincidences.

(If you click on a runner in the results, and then click the "timing" tab, you can see start times.)

Wow. A lot of cheaters. A couple of those were from neighboring states, so we know they were in cahoots.

Or does it mean my powerball odds are 11%?

Geez Ken, just please stop. The accomplice theory is a horrible one which has already been debunked, short of new evidence.