Least anyone thinks Mikes trolls aren't contributing to this madness, theralsmokinggunner anyone?
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Hi chicken dance DJ!
new facts? wrote:
Hey ken,
Any new facts?
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Accuracy counts. Mike Rossi is a cheating, lying, POS who will never be a runner. He should consider caging brands of deodorant as well, it's not working.
Alleged misdirection. wrote:
use proper terms please wrote:
don't use the qualifier "alleged" on this thread anymore.
You can continue to use the euphemism "misdirection"
Thanks!
Both will continue to be used as they are both appropriate.
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"changing"
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The Real Fact Guy wrote:
some old bs wrote:
If not, then stop being a control freak. Nobody here is telling you that you can't post what you want, are they?
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Good point.
1. Rossi posted online a letter he received from the principal of his children's elementary school because he took his two children out of school to watch him run in the Boston Marathon.
2. He then responded and wrote a sarcastic and self-serving letter to the principal, addressing it "Dear Madam Principal" rather using her real name which would have demonstrated generally accepted standards of respect (he later tries to claim he loves the school and the principal and meant no harm) when writing a letter. He essentially threw a hissy fit because he believed that he and his family should be treated differently than any other school district families.
3. He never sent that letter to the principal or any other school administrator but instead posted it online. I could understand taking all of this public after you have exhausted all avenues of recourse that responsible people first try, that is, meeting with school officials.
4. He subsequently said he posted both letters on only his Facebook page which were solely intended for his "friends" to see. He then denied that he posted either letter anywhere else but to his Facebook page, yet that was a lie as has been shown via screen captures and saved images of his twitter account and other social media sources (including his company website) that he posted/reposted and tweeted/retweeted said letters and giving tv and radio interviews, all before ever meeting with any administrator in the school district. One could argue that he was cyber-bullying the principal by his childish behavior, the tone of his letter and the sarcasm he envoked.
5. The principal did not single out Rossi or treat him and his two children any different than any of the other 7,500 students in the school district. Partial disclosure - I live in this school district. Letters such as this are issued for unexcused absences. Why he choose to make an issue of this is beyond me because it does not affect a student, especially third graders, unless the student already has a history (10 or more I believe in the state of PA) of unexcused absences.
6. This attention brought scrutiny to his public "running" and race times, as well as all of his posting and boasting on his social media accounts. As questions arose, the once very public figure decided to go uncharacteristically quiet and close his social media accounts or made them private.
7. Rossi posted and boasted about his running and training like he was an accomplished runner or athlete, although much of it sounded quite amateurish. He posted pictures like a teen.
8. He "runs" the race of a lifetime after only 18 months of running and total of about 1,000 miles at the age of 46 and all of sudden he finds modesty and barely mentions his Lehigh Valley Health Network Via Marathon's race time, in spite of somehow cutting an enormous amount of time from his PR. After every other race, he wrote a lot on his social media accounts and posted tons of pictures at each race. However, for some reason, barely a peep from him after the LVM. Things that make you go hmm?
9. When questioned in an interview about the disconnect between previous race times and his LVM race time/pace, he said he wasnt trying in the other races yet in his posts he blatantly boasted about his race times and expressed how he thought his race times were good etc., thus his posted comments are consistent with someone trying to do his best and trying to get BQ. In fact, in the Philadelphia Marathon he mentions his time and the BQ and being upset that he "just" missed a BQ because of a bathroom break.
10. There is not one single photograph of Rossi on the LVM race course, with the exception of the ones at the finish line. The race course did not have time mats but did have several camera checkpoints on the course. There is a nearly continuous run of photos at least three checkpoints.
11. At one of the photo checkpoints there was on average more than 48 photos published per minute for a 13 minute stretch during which Rossi would have to run by the checkpoint (with the fewest photos in any one minute stretch being 40 photos). All of the 20 closest finishers to Rossi (in terms of place, 10 ahead, 10 behind) were spotted at all three checkpoints and yet Mr. Rossi is absent from all three.
12. An analysis of the first photo checkpoint revealed that 199 of the top 200 finishers were photographed. Guess who is missing? Yep, Rossi #2161. Is it a coincidence that the individual who ran his fastest pace/time for a marathon and at a faster pace than many of the shorter distances (in spite of usually slowing down over longer races) did not have one single photo on the course? I think not. No reasonable person thinks its a coincidence. However, I am open to seeing and reviewing any photos or evidence that shows he was in fact on the course, excluding the start and finish lines.
13. The LVM Committee did NOT confirm nor did it state that they believed that Rossi ran the entire race, and they also did not say that they thought his time was accurate and did not say that they thought he did not cheat. Quite the opposite, as their statement said there was no conclusive evidence that his time was inaccurate. Saying or concluding a runner's time is accurate (and here is why we think so) is much different than saying that there was no conclusive evidence that a runner's time was inaccurate. In fact, they did not did provide any evidence that his time was accurate. Why not? But how could they? They did not have interim timing mats and there was not a photo to be found of him on the course. Moreover, they didn't even address the issue of photos in their statement. That is telling.
14. Other runners can at least point to time-stamped photos at various points on the course to say "there I am", which is more than can be said for Rossi! He can't. He hasn't. He refuses to!
15. The lack of photos of Rossi is arguably more damning than his time/pace time. Why? One can debate race times/pace, training etc., but there is no bias in continuous, time-stamped photos being taken by professional photographers there to capture every racer. That is not to say that race times/pace and training is not an important piece of evidence, it is, especially in light of his other race times, particularly his pace in 5k's.
16. The mere fact that the LVM Race Director decided to impanel a committee to "review" this debacle meant there was enough "probable cause" or suspicion to do so. Therefore, it is the LVM Committee's and Rossi's responsibility to provide the conclusive evidence that his time is accurate, not anyone else's to provide conclusive evidence that his time is inaccurate.
17. Of course this isnt any evidence that he ran the race or his time is inaccurate because the LVM abdicated its responsibility of ensuring accuracy and validity of the race times BEFORE the race by not having timing mats throughout the race course and AFTER the race by its flawed investigation, reasoning and statement.
18. Rossi claims to have photos and other exculpatory evidence to demonstrate that his time is accurate/ran the entire race. It is time for Rossi to provide any and all information that he claims to possess rather than just saying so. Saying so does not make it true. If he truly has such evidence, then there is no reason why he should not or would not share it. NONE. Failure to provide this information can only lead one to reasonably conclude that he is lying about this so called "evidence" and thus, he cheated and his time is inaccurate.
^This.
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Ken's history books wrote:
Ken,
Why don't you go back to drinking your oreo nacho shake and reading your history books.
Yeah the ones which say the Nazi legal defense was accepted, owning slaves is ok, Mexicans are subhuman, and us vets are shit.
Shove your ignorant, racist, antisemitic bullshit history books up your fcking ass you FAT FVCKING FAGG0T
FVCK YOU AND FVCK MICHAEL ROSSI
So you are so upset with Ken's intolerant views you felt you had to hurl homophobic slurs?
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In case it was missed:
jonileigh says:
May 7, 2015 at 12:37 pm
I have found myself addicted to this thread checking back far more frequently than I should for any new evidence or analysis, and wondering why I feel so compelled by it. I have come to the same verdict that most have, perhaps because not to do so would be to challenge the very foundation of why I train and race that there are physiologic limits to what I am capable of, but with a steady regimen of work, I can push those limits further.
Unlike most areas of our lives where progress is subjective or unquantifiable, in running and racing, we can meticulously track our progress, to see if our attempts as self improvement is having the desired effect, and make adjustments if it isnt. You dont have to be a professional runner, or even a mid-packer to take joy in this process of pushing the limits of your own abilities. And while the seasons best, PR or victory over a local rival gives us great pride in the proof that we have pushed the limit of our ability just a little bit further, it is during the hours of intervals around the local track, sprints up snow covered hills and Sunday mornings spent running through trails with our favorite running buddies that those limits are actually increased.
The more I reflect on the thread and the situation, the more sad I feel for Mr. Rossi. He clearly got caught by the running bug. According to his cached blog, he ran his first race in 2013. Almost immediately, its seems he set a target of running in the Boston Marathon. It is an ambitious target for a new runner, but he probably didnt know how ambitious it was, and even if he did, there is nothing wrong with having a dream goal to work toward. Mr. Rossi set out immediately in pursuit of his target he entered a marathon the following fall, and a number of half marathons, 10 milers, and 5ks along the way. Like many new runners, he started feeling good and quickly increased his mileage resulting in injuries and set backs. The problem for Mr. Rossi, is ultimately, he didnt want to GET better, he wanted to BE better.
When this all blows over, I hope that Mr. Rossi is able to return to relative anonymity and road racing. I hope that he can take joy in the process of breaking down muscles one fiber at a time, of getting stronger and faster, running longer and trying to best his previous PRs. If he did cheat, I hope he comes clean. Not because I want or need to know, but because I want him to be able to experience the pride of seeing days and weeks and months and years of efforts rewarded with a time that is faster than you ever thought you were capable of, and I want him to be able to share the joy in that accomplishment with the people who love him. Theres nothing quite like it.
Link:
http://therunnereclectic.com/2...tatistics/
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6479539&page=648#ixzz3hBbFChF8
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The stupidity amazes me wrote:
Ken's history books wrote:
Ken,
Why don't you go back to drinking your oreo nacho shake and reading your history books.
Yeah the ones which say the Nazi legal defense was accepted, owning slaves is ok, Mexicans are subhuman, and us vets are shit.
Shove your ignorant, racist, antisemitic bullshit history books up your fcking ass you FAT FVCKING FAGG0T
FVCK YOU AND FVCK MICHAEL ROSSI
So you are so upset with Ken's intolerant views you felt you had to hurl homophobic slurs?
I think we all know yesterday's tyrants were from Mike and The Minions. Some of them might make his greatest hits album in a few years.
But here's the real reason we are all here. Spread the word of Mike's cheating and getting him DQ'd.
These are just the beginning. Keep the fire burning.
http://nydailyrecord.com/blog/2015/07/23/commentary-from-fame-to-infamy-on-social-media/http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/07/22/boston-marathon-dad-offered-100k-to-repeat-qualifying-race-results/http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/07/21/cecily-tynan-mike-rossi-cheat-boston-marathon/http://runningmagazine.ca/letsrun-offers-marathon-dad-mike-rossi-100000-to-run-31145/http://www.runnersworld.com/general-interest/letsruncom-offers-massive-reward-to-viral-boston-marathon-dadhttp://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/07/20/letsrun-mike-rossi-cheat-boston-marathon/http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/exercise/the-100-000-marathon-training-plan-20150724Foreign:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/mulig-maraton-snyder-tilbudt-600000-kr-for-at-gentage-sin-tid/5654484?ref=lokalavisen00 -
Does this mean, Ken, that you've suddenly realized the advice to stick to Mike cheating was good advice? And don't blame Mike and his pals, you are the one who goes off topic and creats this sh*t show. If you'd just not let yourself be baited and learn to only talk about Mike cheating you could have avoided the beating you took yesterday. But, you won't. Do you know why, Ken? Because you are an idiot. You don't even see that all you do is help Mike by becoming the distraction. Stop talking about yourself, Ken, or anything else that isn't about Mike cheating. Just stop.
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Well someone from Philly edited the Marathon Course Cutting Wikipedia article and removed Mike Rossi reference from the course cutting article. the IP that made the change was: 98.115.247.177 and it is a Philadelphia Verizon IP. His edit lasted a whopping 10 hours.
Mike, my "friend"
1) I'm way better at the interwebz than you are
2) Please don't turn this onto an edit war because you might make this page too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars
I put it all back in and cleaned up the references as well as added link to the YouTube video and one more source. If Mike keeps deleting, next time I'll add stuff about him calling Cecily a homewrecker, him going on a name calling and bullying rampage, full of screen shots and twitter links.
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The rants were yours you pitiful excuse for an American.
I, and others, called out your views as horrific offensive and flat out wrong.
You doubled down on your statements, and we called your statements out like we see them for what they are.
I am not even going to list them now as doing so serves only to perpetuate your nonsense and give you attention and associate the thread and it's posters with your vile views.
Rather than acknowledge you are wrong in any way you deflect and say it is all Mikes minions. Again you contradict yourself when you say he has no friends but he has minions posting here all the time.
Like it or not those of us who are truly offended by your views, or you to some extent, are runners, soldiers, parents, etc with no connection to any of this except an interest in integrity in our sport.
Integrity and truth are interesting virtues, you cannot pick them up and put them down when it is convenient and inconvenient.
Please go away. There again you say you will be gone but are not. I could care less if you post but I care when you shame and embarass America by your words. You represent part of America, a part that needs to change.
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America not Philly wrote:
The rants were yours you pitiful excuse for an American.
I, and others, called out your views as horrific offensive and flat out wrong.
You doubled down on your statements, and we called your statements out like we see them for what they are.
I am not even going to list them now as doing so serves only to perpetuate your nonsense and give you attention and associate the thread and it's posters with your vile views.
Rather than acknowledge you are wrong in any way you deflect and say it is all Mikes minions. Again you contradict yourself when you say he has no friends but he has minions posting here all the time.
Like it or not those of us who are truly offended by your views, or you to some extent, are runners, soldiers, parents, etc with no connection to any of this except an interest in integrity in our sport.
Integrity and truth are interesting virtues, you cannot pick them up and put them down when it is convenient and inconvenient.
Please go away. There again you say you will be gone but are not. I could care less if you post but I care when you shame and embarass America by your words. You represent part of America, a part that needs to change.
+1 also Mike will never run 3:11 and an Oreo nacho shake has me intrigued.
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I like it. Give him no quarter. He cheated and doesn't get to edit the facts to suit himself. If he can refute the facts, with evidence, I know I'd apologize. But that isn't going to happen, kind of like the $100k the Brojos put up is safe.
Mike: Confession (and a sincere apology) will make this all just fade away quietly. You can then get back to a state of "normalcy."
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GregTR wrote:
Well someone from Philly edited the Marathon Course Cutting Wikipedia article and removed Mike Rossi reference from the course cutting article. the IP that made the change was: 98.115.247.177 and it is a Philadelphia Verizon IP. His edit lasted a whopping 10 hours.
Mike, my "friend"
1) I'm way better at the interwebz than you are
2) Please don't turn this onto an edit war because you might make this page too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_warsI put it all back in and cleaned up the references as well as added link to the YouTube video and one more source. If Mike keeps deleting, next time I'll add stuff about him calling Cecily a homewrecker, him going on a name calling and bullying rampage, full of screen shots and twitter links.
Great!
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LoserMikeRossi wrote:
I think we all know yesterday's tyrants were from Mike and The Minions. Some of them might make his greatest hits album in a few years.
But here's the real reason we are all here.
No, Ken.
There are two real reasons you are here:
1) For some bizarre reason, you think that this is helping your DJ career. Two months ago, the world had forgotten that you screwed over 80 wedding couples. Through your sheer stupidity, you have dredged that all back up, and continually splash it on here for everyone to see.
2) (and this is the sad one) you really have nothing else in your life, so any attention is better than being ignored.
The hilarious part is that Mikey is going to come out of this just fine. He isn't going to get DQed, and he's probably going to spin his 15 minutes of infamy into something. It's weird, it's not right, but it's how America works.
But you've re-damaged your professional reputation. And because you are so pathetic, we all know you are just going to keep doing it. And nobody likes to see crying brides, Kenny. You won't be forgiven.
What's the end game for you now, Kenny? How is Mikey getting DQed from a marathon that he ran 10 months ago going to make any difference to your life?
Go stare at your fishtank and ponder that for a few moments.
We can sit here and debate whether "Mike Wins!" or not, but everyone here (but you) recognizes one simple truth: Kenny has already lost.
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Back so soon? No "vaca?" wrote:
LoserMikeRossi wrote:
I think we all know yesterday's tyrants were from Mike and The Minions. Some of them might make his greatest hits album in a few years.
But here's the real reason we are all here.
No, Ken.
There are two real reasons you are here:
1) For some bizarre reason, you think that this is helping your DJ career. Two months ago, the world had forgotten that you screwed over 80 wedding couples. Through your sheer stupidity, you have dredged that all back up, and continually splash it on here for everyone to see.
2) (and this is the sad one) you really have nothing else in your life, so any attention is better than being ignored.
The hilarious part is that Mikey is going to come out of this just fine. He isn't going to get DQed, and he's probably going to spin his 15 minutes of infamy into something. It's weird, it's not right, but it's how America works.
But you've re-damaged your professional reputation. And because you are so pathetic, we all know you are just going to keep doing it. And nobody likes to see crying brides, Kenny. You won't be forgiven.
What's the end game for you now, Kenny? How is Mikey getting DQed from a marathon that he ran 10 months ago going to make any difference to your life?
Go stare at your fishtank and ponder that for a few moments.
We can sit here and debate whether "Mike Wins!" or not, but everyone here (but you) recognizes one simple truth: Kenny has already lost.
The worst part of ken's nonsense is having to read it. The second worst is having the thread lose focus. I am actually interested in the Rossi analysis, actually care about the integrity of sport, actually am convinced that the course was cut, actually like some of the craziness in the thread. But I am not interested in weddings, DJs, the confederate flag, nazi excusionists, immigration or bad mouthing the military from the couch.
Nor am I interested in all the people piling on Ken and his weight and AG problems. Read it understood it.
I confess to being interested in Cecily Tynan but that is understandable.
I don't know if the trolls can stop feeding Ken or if he can stop eating the bait.
I can hope.
Back to marathon course cutting. Carry on.
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There will never be a confession, surely that is ONE thing everyone knows about this psycho cheater by now. He deserves every ounce of derision headed his way. Mike wins!
that's awesome wrote:
I like it. Give him no quarter. He cheated and doesn't get to edit the facts to suit himself. If he can refute the facts, with evidence, I know I'd apologize. But that isn't going to happen, kind of like the $100k the Brojos put up is safe.
Mike: Confession (and a sincere apology) will make this all just fade away quietly. You can then get back to a state of "normalcy."
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Rossi's options appear to be limited at this point, and none of them are very good. He can't admit that he cheated and ask for forgiveness. It is too late for that. He has lied to too many people who are close to him, many of whom probably don't believe him, but who pretend that they do because they know what a douche-nozzle Rossi is and they don't want him to turn on them. No, he is too invested in his lies to ever admit that he cheated. So, what can he do? He could hunker down and wait it out. But, that's not Rossi's style. Don't forget, in his mind, he is "the man in the ring." He could continue on his present course: provocative Facebook updates and posts, anonymous posting on this thread, twitter wars with the famous and not-so-famous, and, now, Wikipedia edit wars with Greg. But, on his present course, he is losing in the court of public opinion. His only saving grace up to now is that LVM has an incompetent Race Director who apparently lied about conducting a thorough investigation into Rossi's cheating and erroneously claims that the evidence of Rossi's cheating is not conclusive. (I should note here that I doubt McKeever made this decision without input from Bart Yasso, who apparently has forgotten that a charity marathon is still, first and foremost, a marathon.) All it is going to take is one or two articles about McKeever (and, perhaps, Yasso) and Rossi's house of cards could easily come tumbling down. But, Rossi has yet another option: he could sue Ken, Peter, Greg, Tim, and/or the brojos for calling him a cheater and a liar. I know it is unlikely Rossi would sue anybody for calling him a cheater and liar, because he wouldn't be able to prove the statements are false, but Rossi doesn't play by the same rules as most people. Since the movie A Few Good Men was discussed recently, I'll point out that Rossi reminds me of Col. Nathan R. Jessup, who (as written) lived in his own fantasy world. Like Col. Jessup, Rossi would probably be good for some courtroom fireworks if we can just get him there.
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LoserMikeRossi wrote:
I think we all know yesterday's tyrants were from Mike and The Minions. Some of them might make his greatest hits album in a few years.
You are contradicting yourself, Kenny.
You have written a few times that none of the other DJs at East Coast Weddings like Mikey - they all laugh at him behind his back.
Yet whenever anyone disagrees with you or mocks you, your lame defense is always that it isn't "a real person" - it's just a DJ minion of Mikey.
Well, which is it, Kenny? Why would the DJs be Mikey minions if they didn't like him?
I need an explanation, Kenny. You need to choose whether or not the DJs like him or dislike him.
Because...
...wait for it...
...you can't have your cake and eat it too, Kenny.
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GregTR,
Great update to the Wikipedia page. I was looking for the Mike Rossi entry under publicized incidents last night and it wasn't there. Nice addition for references 28 through 31 also.
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