Shannon Rowbury Breaks American - Runs 14:38.92 in Brussels!

Mark Wetmore's program is "mediocre?" You don't have a legitimate piece of evidence for that or any doping allegations.

In fact, if this reflects your intelligence, that's just pure and unadulterated stupidity. He was two for two with 2016 Olympic Games bronze medalists and coaches a top flight college team to dizzying heights every year. That was just a blindingly ignorant statement.

I now have agree with the earlier poster, who made an interesting point. If Wetmore coached 15 post collegiate athletes from the US and other countries, and with unlimited resources, at least 10 of them would win medals at the Olympic Games, and they would do it clean.

That said, I'm not a Rowbury hater. I really like Shannon Rowbury and root for her. She is a very dynamic, intelligent person.

She has also continually rebuffed Jenny's offer to shake hands after races, so it's not all on Jenny being bitchy here. It's too bad they can't be a little more mature about things but it is a fierce rivalry and sometimes two people just don't like eachother.

[quote]gaglrsg777 wrote:

What so many angry Rowbury fans do not seem to get is she is the ONLY USA female distance runner currently at this level that is trained by a coach under a doping investigation. Her teammate Galen Rupp is under investigation, NOP is under investigation. Her coach, Al Sal, is highly suspected, and by some in the inner circle known doper while he was a competitive runner. Her coach Al Sal coached a known convicted doper, Mary Decker Slaney. These are all documented facts. You all seem to hate facts yet love to accuse others where there are no known facts or documents to back up your hate and accusation of other athletes and coaches. /quote]

What all you haters don't seem to understand is that not one accusation referenced above has Shannon Rowbury's name on it.

And I personally have never accused any athlete of being dirty unless that athlete has already been convicted of an offense.

But that is the difference between an educated response and an uneducated assumption about someone based on flawed logic.

Here is an analogy that maybe you can understand.

There is a surgeon who has been accused of being a big crook and has the worst bedside manner out there. The problem is that he also has extremely gifted hands in the operating room. Despite the accusations, patients rightfully flock to his office for care.

Despite the accusations, he continues to operate. Why, because he has never been convicted of anY wrongdoing

Patients go to this doctor because they want the best. And I would send my loved ones to this person because I know they would be in the best hands.

The same analogy holds for an outstanding professor who may be involved in cotroversy at a college

Accusing someone of something does not make that person guilty. If you believe that then you don't belong in this country. People have alternative agendas. People misinterpret facts and make false conclusions. That's why we have due process and a legal system in place . To sort through the accusations and evidence and come to an INFORMED decision if any wrongdoing was done.

With respect to Alberto and the NOP, I am sure that Shannon is intelligent and scrupulous enough to know if there is any wrongdoing going on with her team. And if there were, she would be long gone by now. But there isn't and so she will continue to train hard and get better the right and "clean" way with Alberto, Pete and the NOP.

No. Everything she says supports my comment. I indicated that she needed to take more risks and run with the back of the lead pack because she looked like she wasn't running all out and had a good deal left in the end, and what she said was that "in retrospect maybe I had to follow the leaders ... could run very relaxed today. My feeling was really great. I knew I was the fastest of my little group at the end. ... [I knew I was in shape] ... I was just a little afraid."In other words, she felt comfortable, felt great, was afraid to go with the lead group, and believes she should have gone with the lead group, just as I said.

wisj wrote:

jjjjj wrote:

From the front page, Rowbury agrees with my assessment:

“In retrospect I maybe had to follow the leaders,” Rowbury said after the race. “I did not run the 5K for two years, but could run very relaxed today. My feeling was really great. I knew I was the fastest of my little group at the end. My training was way better then when I ran 14:48, so I knew I could beat the national record. I was just a little afraid to come into another event against the top of the world.”

Nothing in that quote has anything to do with your assessment.

Facts:

-Salazar coached Mary Slaney when she tested positive for Testosterone

-He lobbied hard to get it overturned which USATF did, but IAAF said no way.

-Salazar has testosterone cream.

-Salazar rubbed testosterone cream on his sons to see how much would trigger a positive.

-Salazar's athletes have an unusually high number of thyroid and asthma diagnosis.

-Salazar gave, at best, a testosterone boosting supplement to a 16 year old kid, and at worst, he actually gave him testosterone.

Regardless of any other "drama", this alone is enough to signify you deserve a shady reputation.

Argue the rest of it. But you cannot logically argue that he does not deserve a shady reputation. All of the above are facts, admitted by Salazar himself in his long diatribe of a letter.

And unfortunately, the people you surround yourself with impact your reputation. So Rowburry can't complain. No one forced her to choose Salazar. She did knowingly.

If SR is doping then why hasn't her husband broken through. You'd think he would have access to the stuff as well.

People resent success. Especially people who are incapable of ever reaching the same level of success as their counterparts. Rowbury won't get the respect she deserves because like it or not, the distance running community is a very judgmental and resentful group. People don't value individualistic thinking and right now the trendy thing to do among pros is to bash the NOP.

evidence for you. wrote:

Facts:

-Salazar coached Mary Slaney when she tested positive for Testosterone...

...and that type of test was subsequently invalidated.

weak evidence for you wrote:

evidence for you. wrote:

Facts:

-Salazar coached Mary Slaney when she tested positive for Testosterone...

...and that type of test was subsequently invalidated.

Wrong.

It was not invalid. Mary's Slaney's excuse that it was caused by her birth control pills was not accepted. After all of her appeals ran out, she was banned, and her indoor WC silver medal was taken away. She was over the 6:1 T/E ratio at the time. The ratio was changed to 4:1 by WADA in 2005.

from Wiki:

In 1996, at the age of 37, as she qualified for the 5000 meters at the Atlanta Olympics, Decker became involved in controversy. A urine test taken in June at the Olympic Trials showed a testosterone to epitestosterone (T/E) ratio greater than the allowable maximum of six to one.[12] At the time of the positive test Decker was being coached by Alberto Salazar.[13]

Decker and her lawyers contended that the T/E ratio test is unreliable for women, especially women in their late 30s or older who are taking birth control pills. In the meantime, Decker was eliminated in the heats at the Olympics.[4]

In June 1997, the IAAF banned Decker from competition. In September 1999, a USATF panel reinstated her.[14][15] The IAAF cleared her to compete but took the case to arbitration. In April, 1999, the arbitration panel ruled against her, after which the IAAF – through a retroactive ban, even though she was cleared to compete – stripped her of a silver medal she had won in the 1500 meters at the 1997 World Indoor Championships.[16][17]

In April 1999, Decker filed suit against both the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee which administered the test, arguing that the test is flawed and cannot distinguish between androgens caused by the use of banned substances and androgens resulting from the use of birth control pills.[18] The court ruled that it had no jurisdiction, a decision that was upheld on appeal.[19]

The (T/E) ratio test has seen its standards tightened to a 4:1 ratio, instead of the previous 6:1 ratio, and laboratories now also run a carbon isotope ratio test (CIR) if the ratio is unusually high.[20]

Try again troll pup.

Not her first rodeo, NOPe! wrote:

in 2010, she ran 15 flat at Payton Jordan. She ran down Flanagan, who had a huge lead with two laps to go. Rowbury blew by her at the top of the final curve. Flanagan had no response.

There's a video on Flotrack. It's a fun watch, especially with Schumacher running back forth trying to get Flanagan to kick it up a notch.

gaglrsg777 wrote:

What so many angry Rowbury fans do not seem to get is she is the ONLY USA female distance runner currently at this level that is trained by a coach under a doping investigation.

Now let's look at the other top coaches - Jerry Schumacher's group; Brooks-Hanson; Brooks-Beast; Drew Wartenburg; Mark Welcome, Joe Vigil, etc. None of them are under investigation for doping, none of their athletes are under investigation for doping, they have never coached a banned athlete, none of them have never been accused of doping as a competitive athlete.

What a rotten deal.

All the groups should be investigated equally, instead of giving so many free passes to them.

I do not hate Shannon Rowbury. The only thing suspicious about Shannon Rowbury…is her coach Alberto Salazar!

Shannon does not have a suspicious progression. She has been a great runner for many years. She has improved consistently and gradually. She has never failed a drug test. I think her times can be done by a clean runner. She ran a great race and is the American 1500m and 5000m record holder at the same time. The only other person to do this was…Mary Decker Slaney! Oh boy. (I am kidding.)

Go Shannon Rowbury!

(…but please stop punching Laura Muir and kicking Jenny Simpson in the face. OK?)

In conclusion:

1) There is also a very good chance that Galen Rupp is actually clean. His progession has also been gradual and consistent. He is drug tested on average every 2.5 weeks, and has never failed a test in his entire running career. I also think his PRs could be done by a clean runner. It is still possible that the "testosterone medication" in his chart was for Testoboost, which would be a stupid supplement that probable would not work. This would just be…another stupid idea by Alberto. He has so many stupid ideas. It could of been for real "testosterone medication"…but that does not make sense…because you would not write that in the chart…if you were really doping with testosterone gel…unless you were stupid.

Could Alberto have been this stupid???

Maybe.

Galen Conclusion:

1) suspicious level: 6.7368473674

Mo Conclusion:

1) suspicious level: 9.176352635

The Jama Aden connection (and lies about it) are getting pretty bad now…and the doorbell incident…and the progression at a later age…and Alberto…and maybe some other things.

Alberto Conclusion:

1) suspicious level: BEYOND INFINITY.

Alberto should go to jail…and should be banned from the sport until the end of this universe.

Mo is also in suspicious places for 6 months of each year.

Is this in reference to the suspicious location of:

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/999936883377631/?type=3&theater

http://online.fliphtml5.com/rmkd/yjxj/#p=2

Flagstaff, Arizona???

Maybe.

I have heard a rumor that there is a "secret useless doctor" that is "very suspicious"…that Mobot has been seen doing his warmup jog with... in the suspicious location…of Flagstaff, Arizona.

I have heard rumors that he may use Fibrogen's FG-4592... or inhale xenon noble gas or…be from the planet Krypton.

(I have heard many rumors about the useless doctor in Flagstaff.)

I also heard a rumor that he lives in a van down by the river.

(Darn.)

I honk plenty of pros like the NOP or at least don't have a problem with it. But they're intimidated by the bullies. E.g. Shalane Flanagan is intimidated by Kara Goucher. Sad!

[quote]Link to the video?

http://www.flotrack.org/video/331109-w-5k-f01-rowbury-1500

rjm33 wrote:

GIYF/JFGI wrote:

[quote]Link to the video?

http://www.flotrack.org/video/331109-w-5k-f01-rowbury-1500

Why are you wasting time with that stupid video on flotrack?

You could be watching…the ONLY VIDEO that I watch…24 hours per day…for the last 314 days:

http://www.flotrack.org/article/43374-a-dream-with-a-deadline-alexi-pappas-tracktown-comes-to-life#at_pco=smlrebh-1.0&at_si=57d4bc2792dcc2ae&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=1&at_tot=3

She is all I think about. She is all the great things that people expect…when they expect great things.

Oh yea.

Oh boy.

Here is another flotrack video that is also back on topic and fun:

(I forgot that I am still in my "hate peaking phase"… that was for my race this morning. It takes about a week to taper off of this phase of my training schedule.)

Oh well.

Did you know that I am also coached …by Mark Wetmore.

Here is a picture of us. I am on the far right.

http://img11.deviantart.net/1a42/i/2012/339/d/3/star_wars_the_sith_lords_and_the_jedi_knights_by_loki_odin-d5n58z6.jpg

(Alberto Salazar is on the far left.)

Oh yea.

GIYF/JFGI wrote:

[quote]Link to the video?

http://www.flotrack.org/video/331109-w-5k-f01-rowbury-1500

The race is interesting to see again.

Thanks for the link wrote:

The race is interesting to see again.

Glad you liked it. There were some other races that day worth taking a look at. The women's 1500 featured "Jenny B's" pro debut. She beat Morgan "OOOsany," who was second, and both Infelds. Loxom, Torrence, Heath, Derrick and Blankenship all raced on the men's side.

And then that guy from Wisconsin ran his first 10,000.