Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

abingtonrunner2 wrote:

Thread reopened wrote:

1. Rossi posted online a letter he received from the principal of his children's elementary school because he took his two children out of school to watch him run in the Boston Marathon.

2. He then responded and wrote a sarcastic and self-serving letter to the principal, addressing it "Dear Madam Principal" rather using her real name which would have demonstrated generally accepted standards of respect (he later tries to claim he loves the school and the principal and meant no harm) when writing a letter. He essentially threw a hissy fit because he believed that he and his family should be treated differently than any other school district families.

3. He never sent that letter to the principal or any other school administrator but instead posted it online. I could understand taking all of this public after you have exhausted all avenues of recourse that responsible people first try, that is, meeting with school officials.

4. He subsequently said he posted both letters on only his Facebook page which were solely intended for his "friends" to see. He then denied that he posted either letter anywhere else but to his Facebook page, yet that was a lie as has been shown via screen captures and saved images of his twitter account and other social media sources (including his company website) that he posted/reposted and tweeted/retweeted said letters and giving tv and radio interviews, all before ever meeting with any administrator in the school district. One could argue that he was cyber-bullying the principal by his childish behavior, the tone of his letter and the sarcasm he envoked.

5. The principal did not single out Rossi or treat him and his two children any different than any of the other 7,500 students in the school district. Partial disclosure - I live in this school district. Letters such as this are issued for unexcused absences. Why he choose to make an issue of this is beyond me because it does not affect a student, especially third graders, unless the student already has a history (10 or more I believe in the state of PA) of unexcused absences.

6. This attention brought scrutiny to his public "running" and race times, as well as all of his posting and boasting on his social media accounts. As questions arose, the once very public figure decided to go uncharacteristically quiet and close his social media accounts or made them private.

7. Rossi posted and boasted about his running and training like he was an accomplished runner or athlete, although much of it sounded quite amateurish. He posted pictures like a teen.

8. He "runs" the race of a lifetime after only 18 months of running and total of about 1,000 miles at the age of 46 and all of sudden he finds modesty and barely mentions his Lehigh Valley Health Network Via Marathon's race time, in spite of somehow cutting an enormous amount of time from his PR. After every other race, he wrote a lot on his social media accounts and posted tons of pictures at each race. However, for some reason, barely a peep from him after the LVM. Things that make you go hmm?

9. When questioned in an interview about the disconnect between previous race times and his LVM race time/pace, he said he wasnt trying in the other races yet in his posts he blatantly boasted about his race times and expressed how he thought his race times were good etc., thus his posted comments are consistent with someone trying to do his best and trying to get BQ. In fact, in the Philadelphia Marathon he mentions his time and the BQ and being upset that he "just" missed a BQ because of a bathroom break.

10. There is not one single photograph of Rossi on the LVM race course, with the exception of the ones at the finish line. The race course did not have time mats but did have several camera checkpoints on the course. There is a nearly continuous run of photos at least three checkpoints.

11. At one of the photo checkpoints there was on average more than 48 photos published per minute for a 13 minute stretch during which Rossi would have to run by the checkpoint (with the fewest photos in any one minute stretch being 40 photos). All of the 20 closest finishers to Rossi (in terms of place, 10 ahead, 10 behind) were spotted at all three checkpoints and yet Mr. Rossi is absent from all three.

12. An analysis of the first photo checkpoint revealed that 199 of the top 200 finishers were photographed. Guess who is missing? Yep, Rossi #2161. Is it a coincidence that the individual who ran his fastest pace/time for a marathon and at a faster pace than many of the shorter distances (in spite of usually slowing down over longer races) did not have one single photo on the course? I think not. No reasonable person thinks its a coincidence. However, I am open to seeing and reviewing any photos or evidence that shows he was in fact on the course, excluding the start and finish lines.

13. The LVM Committee did NOT confirm nor did it state that they believed that Rossi ran the entire race, and they also did not say that they thought his time was accurate and did not say that they thought he did not cheat. Quite the opposite, as their statement said there was no conclusive evidence that his time was inaccurate. Saying or concluding a runner's time is accurate (and here is why we think so) is much different than saying that there was no conclusive evidence that a runner's time was inaccurate. In fact, they did not did provide any evidence that his time was accurate. Why not? But how could they? They did not have interim timing mats and there was not a photo to be found of him on the course. Moreover, they didn't even address the issue of photos in their statement. That is telling.

14. Other runners can at least point to time-stamped photos at various points on the course to say "there I am", which is more than can be said for Rossi! He can't. He hasn't. He refuses to!

15. The lack of photos of Rossi is arguably more damning than his time/pace time. Why? One can debate race times/pace, training etc., but there is no bias in continuous, time-stamped photos being taken by professional photographers there to capture every racer. That is not to say that race times/pace and training is not an important piece of evidence, it is, especially in light of his other race times, particularly his pace in 5k's.

16. The mere fact that the LVM Race Director decided to impanel a committee to "review" this debacle meant there was enough "probable cause" or suspicion to do so. Therefore, it is the LVM Committee's and Rossi's responsibility to provide the conclusive evidence that his time is accurate, not anyone else's to provide conclusive evidence that his time is inaccurate.

17. Of course this isnt any evidence that he ran the race or his time is inaccurate because the LVM abdicated its responsibility of ensuring accuracy and validity of the race times BEFORE the race by not having timing mats throughout the race course and AFTER the race by its flawed investigation, reasoning and statement.

18. Rossi claims to have photos and other exculpatory evidence to demonstrate that his time is accurate/ran the entire race. It is time for Rossi to provide any and all information that he claims to possess rather than just saying so. Saying so does not make it true. If he truly has such evidence, then there is no reason why he should not or would not share it. NONE. Failure to provide this information can only lead one to reasonably conclude that he is lying about this so called "evidence" and thus, he cheated and his time is inaccurate.

Can I get royalties every time this get posted?

REsolved wrote:

Mike's sheep wrote:

This is about Mike Rossi cheating at a marathon because he is a sh*t runner and a sociopath who wanted to run Boston. Yet, why is Ken having to defend himself on here for something that was dealt with and resolved by the Pennsylvania AG's office? It was resolved. The dude messed up, badly messed up. He upset a lot of people. But, he was fined etc. and made good by delivering the videos. It was actually dealt with. He admitted he badly messed up. What Ken did was not ok. But, it was resolved.

On the other hand - we all know Mike Rossi cheated - but has he made good? No. The exact opposite - he continues to deny that he did anything wrong. He will never own up to his wrong doing. No matter what happens, Like Rosie Ruiz, Kip Litton and other marathon cheats - they are seriosly warped human beings who will never admit what they did.

So - are we really that easily distracted by Mike and his minions? Are we so easily lead away from the topic to instead talk about a non-running incident that was successfully dealt with - and ignore the actual point of this thread - that Mike Rossi is a cheater and just an all around terrible human being.

Sue someone Mike - you POS - prove you ran the marathon.

The LVM race committee resolved the issue with Mike Rossi too.

left open wrote:

REsolved wrote:

The LVM race committee resolved the issue with Mike Rossi too.

Nope, they didn't resolve it, that would have been good, instead they specifically left the matter open, by saying:

"Therefore the LVHN Via Marathon Committee concluded that Rossi will not be disqualified unless additional conclusive information arises in the future."

He specifically was not exonerated. That is actually unfortunate. Because they were equivocal it has kept this whole thing going...

What is even more interesting is the use of the phrase "additional conclusive evidence" meaning they already had some conclusive evidence, but felt they needed more conclusive evidence.

Oh well. I think the chances of him being DQ'd are about the same as him suddenly become a decent human being. Which is great, because through the non-DQ Mike won people endlessly posting that he is a cheating POS and, because it's the truth, he is a cheating POS, he'll never do anything about it except try and talk about Ken.

REsolved wrote:

left open wrote:

Nope, they didn't resolve it, that would have been good, instead they specifically left the matter open, by saying:

"Therefore the LVHN Via Marathon Committee concluded that Rossi will not be disqualified unless additional conclusive information arises in the future."

He specifically was not exonerated. That is actually unfortunate. Because they were equivocal it has kept this whole thing going...

What is even more interesting is the use of the phrase "additional conclusive evidence" meaning they already had some conclusive evidence, but felt they needed more conclusive evidence.

Oh well. I think the chances of him being DQ'd are about the same as him suddenly become a decent human being. Which is great, because through the non-DQ Mike won people endlessly posting that he is a cheating POS and, because it's the truth, he is a cheating POS, he'll never do anything about it except try and talk about Ken.

No. It's resolved.

Mike's sheep wrote:

This is about Mike Rossi cheating at a marathon because he is a sh*t runner and a sociopath who wanted to run Boston. Yet, why is Ken having to defend himself on here for something that was dealt with and resolved by the Pennsylvania AG's office? It was resolved. The dude messed up, badly messed up. He upset a lot of people. But, he was fined etc. and made good by delivering the videos. It was actually dealt with. He admitted he badly messed up. What Ken did was not ok. But, it was resolved.

On the other hand - we all know Mike Rossi cheated - but has he made good? No. The exact opposite - he continues to deny that he did anything wrong. He will never own up to his wrong doing. No matter what happens, Like Rosie Ruiz, Kip Litton and other marathon cheats - they are seriosly warped human beings who will never admit what they did.

So - are we really that easily distracted by Mike and his minions? Are we so easily lead away from the topic to instead talk about a non-running incident that was successfully dealt with - and ignore the actual point of this thread - that Mike Rossi is a cheater and just an all around terrible human being.

Sue someone Mike - you POS - prove you ran the marathon.