Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

I'm not Ken, but am someone in the group.

SaraB wrote:

See, this is what got you kicked out of the FB group. Personal attacks and not helping with the investigation.

You attacked me Ken, saying that I did nothing for the investigation and that i was pointless. You attacked me again and again hoping that you would make me leave because I disagreed with you. I got kicked out for talking sense. The truth is that most other members agreed with me, I was just the only one to say it and then when I didn't leave you kicked me out. Not really a very mature attitude is it? What do you have to say about Douglas Rendall's soaking yet shorts?

Why post under an anonymous name all of a sudden Ken? Sara never attacked you in the group, she was just saying how your theories made no sense and several of us told you that. No one ran with Mike Rossi's bib for him, we explained countless times how someone couldn't register different times a few seconds apart.

I feel like 1,000 people can tell you your theory makes no sense and you still won't listen, all anyone tried to do was help. I don't appreciate your treatment of Sara and Rossi does win because you are obsessed 24/7 over him.

SaraB wrote:

See, this is what got you kicked out of the FB group. Personal attacks and not helping with the investigation.

You attacked me Ken, saying that I did nothing for the investigation and that i was pointless. You attacked me again and again hoping that you would make me leave because I disagreed with you. I got kicked out for talking sense. The truth is that most other members agreed with me, I was just the only one to say it and then when I didn't leave you kicked me out. Not really a very mature attitude is it? What do you have to say about Douglas Rendall's soaking yet shorts?

At this point, the two best courses of action, besides trying to find the elusive, undefined, "conclusive" evidence are the following.

No matter what we find, I not only believe, but in fact know, that the Committee will not accept it. Why? First, as a result of the last sentence of their official statement. We will have no further comment on this matter. Second, and more importantly, we do not have "standing." Whatever is found, the Committee will not accept it unless it comes from someone (or a group of participants) who actually ran in the 2014 LVM. They are ones who have standing a claim. It is very easy to ignore anyone else no matter what you claim you have,

The second course of action is to convince journalist to get behind this effort. This is not easy for several reasons, but we have done a lot of heavy lifting here with the photos, time analysis and detailing the absurd nature of the Committee's statement. One way around the issue of standing is publicity and power of public opinion via an investigative journalist. More to the point, a larger portion of the public is needed for the Committee to feel pressure. They are not going to respond to anyone who has not run the race except perhaps a real journalist asking for some answers before publishing an article about the glaring inconsistencies and lack of transparency and conclusive evidence by the Committee.

Does that mean stop working to find other evidence or talking with runners, hell no. Forge ahead. But we will need to the above two pieces to get anywhere.

It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a$$holes who post bullshlt and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.

I can't see why an investigative journalist would get behind it. There are far bigger issues in the world to investigate and very few journalists remain. The story has been published on Runner's World website. Having other runners in the race report it would be a better option. A RD can DQ anyone. If Rossi were DQ'd the onus would be on him to prove he did run the marathon and with the necessary proof, he could be easily reinstated. That's what is so frustrating about the RD not taking action.

Nobody who is looking into this has mentioned any names on this forum, for the simple fact we don't want innocent bystanders to be accused without proper evidence.

However, you just did.

So now you live with that fact that you just drew public attention to an American War hero, without any proof whatsoever.

Come on, people, time to face reality: it is over.

The whole Mike Rossi letter thing went viral because a lot of people could relate to inflexible rules by a government body - people eat that poop up. Nobody really cared about the actual details - it was fun to rage against the machine. You didn't have to be a runner.

Then the possibility (which has evolved into a 100% probability) that Mike Rossi cheated in the LVM came to light. A small fraction of the running community cared (yes, it pissed me off).

But the general public has completely forgotten who Mike Rossi is. Seriously, ask any of your non-running friends. They don't remember his name - why would they? They may remember the letter, but they don't remember the guy who wrote the letter.

Further, non-runners won't get the complexity of the narrative: you are trying to get him BQed from LVM so that the BAA will DQ him from Boston. Sorry, it doesn't make for a good story.

And most importantly, the story is far too old for the public to care. You want non-runners to get upset about a guy who cheated in a marathon almost a year ago, so that he could get into a marathon that was run two months ago. Yawn.

And finally, his name has been "cleared." Yes, we all know it's crap, but the general public won't care.

No journalist will care. You may be able to interest a fringe running magazine - but that won't achieve what you are hoping.

All that's left is a few mentally unstable people trying to keep this thing going, with such ludicrous ideas as contacting local stores and seeing if they will sift through surveillance camera footage from a year ago to see if they can spot Mike Rossi driving in his car during the marathon. Really? Is this really "furthering the investigation?"

It's over. It was over the day the LVM Special Committee (I'm sure they had an officially sounding official name) said there would be no DQ.

Other than one particularly sad individual on here who hopes to boost his rival DJ company, I can't possibly imagine what more you people think you can achieve here.

It's over.

Move on.

Ken, you need to get your facts right. You accused Douglass Kendall of helping Rossi cheat in a public forum (just because the group is secret it doesn't make it any less public). Every single one of my comments said that you had no evidence that he had done anything. You think it's ok to accuse someone of cheating as long as they don't know you have accused them? You accused him in a large number of posts. Me and everyone else said that he had nothing to do with it. You accused him without any proof, not me. Whether he served in the military or not is irrelevant, you accused him of cheating, I said he didn't cheat. I can't make it any clearer for you to understand.

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Ok, I am not going to complete this again because we all know where that will lead.

Journalists get involved and write about all sorts of things. The public would care, if not for the soap opera aspect of this, if it is presented. My god, you are talking about a public who things Kim K is some skilled person or something and a public who watches honey boo-boo or whatever the flavor of the month is. This story has so many angles, including two wedding DJs, that I could see becoming a "reality" tv show.

Well I learned something new today.

It's over for Ken.

Once SaraB etc al expressed their concerns, I knew this was over.

Ken you sound like an arrogant pig of a man with delusions of revenge.

You've officially lost all credibility here.

Bye.

SaraB wrote:

Ken, you need to get your facts right. You accused Douglass Kendall of helping Rossi cheat in a public forum (just because the group is secret it doesn't make it any less public). Every single one of my comments said that you had no evidence that he had done anything. You think it's ok to accuse someone of cheating as long as they don't know you have accused them? You accused him in a large number of posts. Me and everyone else said that he had nothing to do with it. You accused him without any proof, not me. Whether he served in the military or not is irrelevant, you accused him of cheating, I said he didn't cheat. I can't make it any clearer for you to understand.

Ken - you have very little, if any, credibility based on your statements, history and lies, even as recent as this weekend saying you had 3 gigs which you did not.

Ken - the tribe has voted and you have been voted off the island. Also, you are the weakest link and potentially jeopardize any legitimate information or evidence amassed. You have credibility and integrity issues and a written record here creates additional problems. You are a liability. Goodbye.

abingtonrunner2 wrote:

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Ok, I am not going to complete this again because we all know where that will lead.

Journalists get involved and write about all sorts of things. The public would care, if not for the soap opera aspect of this, if it is presented. My god, you are talking about a public who things Kim K is some skilled person or something and a public who watches honey boo-boo or whatever the flavor of the month is. This story has so many angles, including two wedding DJs, that I could see becoming a "reality" tv show.

This freak show of a thread could certainly be a story. Oh Lord, it could be a great story. I'll definitely agree with you on that.

But the main focus would not be on whether or not Mike Rossi cheated. It may dwell a little on the work that "the group" did, but a journalist probably wouldn't be too interested, as that work ultimately lead to nothing (no DQ=nothing, sorry).

Rather, the story would probably focus on the weird, obsessive behavior of Ken Stillman and his relationship with Mike Rossi. Sadly, there isn't much a journalist can work with here, because there's no way of knowing if Mike actually posted here, or if it was just trolling. I haven't participated in the Facebook side of this, so I don't know if there would be better material to write a story about from that.

In any event, I don't really think that a story about Ken Stillman and Mike Rossi would produce what we are hoping for here. I can't see how a journalist could write anything that wouldn't end up being sympathetic towards Rossi.

Good looking, fabulous hair, friend of Kelly Ripa vs. a 300 lb. guy who screwed wedding couples, regularly posted weird things about Mike Rossi's sex life. Who do you think the general public is going to side with?

Sara - read and contact me, please.

I was kidding about the side show issues. I have one person who is reviewing the information and considering writing it and another who is out of town and will give some consideration or make some suggestions as to who would be interested in this upon his return.

ConcernedResident wrote:

Sara - read and contact me, please.

Sorry but I can't remember if I know your real name or now.

Survivor2 wrote:

Ken - you have very little, if any, credibility based on your statements, history and lies, even as recent as this weekend saying you had 3 gigs which you did not.

Ken - the tribe has voted and you have been voted off the island. Also, you are the weakest link and potentially jeopardize any legitimate information or evidence amassed. You have credibility and integrity issues and a written record here creates additional problems. You are a liability. Goodbye.

If we are going with island and tribe analogies here, I think Lord of the Flies is more fitting here.

I think we all know who Kenny is.

SaraB wrote:

Ken, you need to get your facts right. You accused Douglass Kendall of helping Rossi cheat in a public forum (just because the group is secret it doesn't make it any less public). Every single one of my comments said that you had no evidence that he had done anything. You think it's ok to accuse someone of cheating as long as they don't know you have accused them? You accused him in a large number of posts. Me and everyone else said that he had nothing to do with it. You accused him without any proof, not me. Whether he served in the military or not is irrelevant, you accused him of cheating, I said he didn't cheat. I can't make it any clearer for you to understand.

If it's not done in public it's not accusing.

And just so you know, I'm not the only one who thinks he may have additional info. But now you have revealed that he was a person of interest, now everyone on his forum is going to be slinging mud.

Take note that even after you felt it was fine to drag his name into this I won't bother repeating it. I have respect for American War heroes and had no intentions of EVER mentioning his name in public. Only to the RD with regards to what he may or may not know.

And I do have the ability to take screen shots to prove that I intended to keep his name out of this.

Your Grade 11 English Teacher wrote:

Survivor2 wrote:

Ken - you have very little, if any, credibility based on your statements, history and lies, even as recent as this weekend saying you had 3 gigs which you did not.

Ken - the tribe has voted and you have been voted off the island. Also, you are the weakest link and potentially jeopardize any legitimate information or evidence amassed. You have credibility and integrity issues and a written record here creates additional problems. You are a liability. Goodbye.

If we are going with island and tribe analogies here, I think Lord of the Flies is more fitting here.

I think we all know who Kenny is.

I like Amazing Race better than Survivor although I think that's cos I'd be rubbish at Survivor unless there was a McDonalds

Your Grade 11 English Teacher wrote:

Survivor2 wrote:

Ken - you have very little, if any, credibility based on your statements, history and lies, even as recent as this weekend saying you had 3 gigs which you did not.

Ken - the tribe has voted and you have been voted off the island. Also, you are the weakest link and potentially jeopardize any legitimate information or evidence amassed. You have credibility and integrity issues and a written record here creates additional problems. You are a liability. Goodbye.

If we are going with island and tribe analogies here, I think Lord of the Flies is more fitting here.

I think we all know who Kenny is.

Agreed on Lord of the Flies, but I was catering to the audience.

I suggest everyone just ignore the one who keeps promising this and that (Waiting for Godot - anyone?), all while throwing accusations and personal attacks towards another's wife, family and job rather than taking the high road.