Comedy race. Abdi, Rupp, two African women.
Nothing can go wrong there then.
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Earlyboy wrote:
Mens race depressing
Alphafly bouncers dominating as predicted.
Abdi getting a spot just shows how pathetic a trials these are. 43 give me a break.
As least the womans wasn't dominated by shoes, instead Kenyan's dominated.
Alphafly's took 4 of the spots on team.
Not the ideal outcome.
You seem to be having a spot of bother with plurals.
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jonnyjinlondon wrote:
achukumba wrote:
Either they are Americans or they are not. Where they were born or train makes ZERO difference. If Kipyego prefers to train in Kenya (which is obviously working for her) that does not make her any less American. Many of the top swimmers in the world go to college and train in the U.S. but compete for other nations—does that make them Americans? Like I said, troll on—I’m done with this subtly racist nonsense.
FWIW, I don't think this is about 'race' or 'racism' (such tired b.s...). It's about having people represent your country and your values. If someone comes to the USA as a fully grown adult for a few years for college, passport and sponsorship $$, and promptly bounces back to their homeland 'to train' (ie. to live full time), then they're not really representative of the values and the cultural norms of the American people. I would certainly categorise them as 'not American', whether they were from Britain, Germany, Kenya or Nigeria. No one in their right mind would.
Eg. Wesley Snipes, famous African American NBA stars (sorry, not American, so don't know the top names) = American. Whatserface Kipyego and others who do likewise are NOT American.
Please tell me, what are the values and norms that people born in Kenya could not represent? I seriously want to know that. Some special unique American values?
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the trckrrrr wrote:
jonnyjinlondon wrote:
FWIW, I don't think this is about 'race' or 'racism' (such tired b.s...). It's about having people represent your country and your values. If someone comes to the USA as a fully grown adult for a few years for college, passport and sponsorship $$, and promptly bounces back to their homeland 'to train' (ie. to live full time), then they're not really representative of the values and the cultural norms of the American people. I would certainly categorise them as 'not American', whether they were from Britain, Germany, Kenya or Nigeria. No one in their right mind would.
Eg. Wesley Snipes, famous African American NBA stars (sorry, not American, so don't know the top names) = American. Whatserface Kipyego and others who do likewise are NOT American.
Please tell me, what are the values and norms that people born in Kenya could not represent? I seriously want to know that. Some special unique American values?
Stop feeding the troll, or he’ll never go away.
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Forget about that. Focus on the Nike shoes. Forget being of East African origins gives you a few % advantage no shoe can compensate for.
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Didn’t everyone have access to these shoes? If they chose not to run in them that is on them. There were quite a few Nike athletes that also chose to run in the next
The new shoe type has been out for over 3 years , no sympathy for shoe companies not catching up sooner
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I think Riley getting 2nd here is even more astounding than Sellers Boston result.
My favorite picture:
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jonnyjinlondon wrote:
runnerdave wrote:
FWIW, you don’t get to decide what’s American and what isn’t - and what are our values? I detest the current administration’s “values” - if you can call them that. Love seeing people move to our country and achieve their dreams.
Nope, not deciding what American values are for anyone, quite clearly (you must have misread or misunderstood the point) - simply making a basic observation about human nature and the need/desire to identify in groups. It is normal human behaviour to prefer those you see as 'your own'. It's kind of like people usually prefer their own kids to other people's...
If you do actually want a list of 'American values', I guess I can ask your fellow Americans to chime in. It sounds like you are very privileged and likely haven't travelled much; I guess you don't know that the USA is an admirable country that does in fact have a unique set of values and a culture that can certainly be defined as 'American'. Just like Britain can be defined as 'British' and Kenya as 'Kenyan', or 'China' as 'Chinese'. Most citizens of the world are not so lucky. Eg. Who wants to be a woman or a Christian in practically any muslim country? The point is that not all [even most] countries have, for example:
- right to free speech (including so-called 'hate speech', which is not a real thing - who decides what 'hate speech' is? Is it just something you don't like? Who is the arbiter of 'hate speech' and decides)
- right to freedom of religion
- recognition of the rights of all men AND women, regardless of disability, race or any other immutable qualities
- Those amendments of yours can define a lot of the rest, I'm sure.
Many countries treat women, minorities, the poor and those not in power in the most disgraceful, murderous ways. There is no right to free speech either on most of the planet. You should thank your lucky stars for being definably 'American' from 'American' culture and be very proud of it.
And *NO*, no-one is saying that any individual from whatever country/race/ethnicity/religion can not adopt American (or German/African/whatever country) values. However, the point is that if they DON'T visibly embrace American culture and it's mores (merely having the benefit of a passport whilst living mainly in their home country of origin), then many people will not actually identify them as Americans.
Has this cleared it up for you?
You assume so much - stuff that’s in your head that you think is the total truth. You’re Wong about my wealth, about my travels, and you don’t know beans about these women on America’s team. You need to open your brain, guy. I appreciate people from different cultures. It makes America interesting.
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merica wrote:
So happy that only one cheating doper from NOP made it.
when you say "cheating doper from NOP", don't you mean "true baller from Portland, Oregon"?
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All 3 members of the men’s team competed for Pac-12 universities! A sweep!
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Watching on a tiny treadmill screen wrote:
Not Fast But Furious wrote:
Walmsley proved why he's an ultra guy.
Walmsley didn't go to ultras because he wasn't good enough at the marathon. That was his FIRST marathon he has run and only 21 of the best marathoners in the country beat him. Maybe all those guys that beat him should jump in comrades and see how they do. The winnner gets over 36k.
What an ignorant argument. A tough course with wind and hills should have shown his strength and endurance. He is just sub elite at shorter distances. His mythic stature and fandom needs to die after this showing. Those who aren't fast enough just run farther.
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SD Dude Bro wrote:
Watching on a tiny treadmill screen wrote:
Walmsley didn't go to ultras because he wasn't good enough at the marathon. That was his FIRST marathon he has run and only 21 of the best marathoners in the country beat him. Maybe all those guys that beat him should jump in comrades and see how they do. The winnner gets over 36k.
What an ignorant argument. A tough course with wind and hills should have shown his strength and endurance. He is just sub elite at shorter distances. His mythic stature and fandom needs to die after this showing. Those who aren't fast enough just run farther.
Nothing has changed wrt him being the best US ultrarunner.
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Earlyboy wrote:
Mens race depressing
Alphafly bouncers dominating as predicted.
Abdi getting a spot just shows how pathetic a trials these are. 43 give me a break.
As least the womans wasn't dominated by shoes, instead Kenyan's dominated.
Alphafly's took 4 of the spots on team.
Not the ideal outcome.
So it's your contention that we wouldn't be sending Rupp, Riley and Abdi to the olympics if they weren't wearing Alphaflys? They still wouldn't have been the best on the day? Please.....
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Cleveland browns head coach wrote:
Can't wait for the Rupp haters to come out in force when he jogs in for the win.
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In case anyone's interested, comedy runners Nestor and Shrader DNFd as expected.
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East Coast poor wrote:
Not Fast But Furious wrote:
Rupp just ran the easiest looking 2:09 I've ever seen. He was toying with everyone. It looked like a training run for him not a race. Even if he's off the special sauce he still has a decent chance when he actually races for real. The rest of the field looked terrible and Walmsley proved why he's an ultra guy.
I concur. His race kind of reminds me of Ryan Hall winning the trials in Central Park. Completely under control and never in doubt from 18 miles on.
Similar performances. Rupp closed in 63:30 or so. Hall 62:xx.
The NY course was a little faster.
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skechers fly wrote:
JohnMD1022 wrote:
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Those who cry "racist" are usually found to be the real racists among us.
Blah, blah, blah...says another Trump voter!!!!
Some comments are too stupid to deserve a well thought out reply.
But, I just gave you one.
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informational wrote:
jonnyjinlondon wrote:
FWIW, I don't think this is about 'race' or 'racism' (such tired b.s...). It's about having people represent your country and your values. If someone comes to the USA as a fully grown adult for a few years for college, passport and sponsorship $$, and promptly bounces back to their homeland 'to train' (ie. to live full time), then they're not really representative of the values and the cultural norms of the American people. I would certainly categorise them as 'not American', whether they were from Britain, Germany, Kenya or Nigeria. No one in their right mind would.
Eg. Wesley Snipes, famous African American NBA stars (sorry, not American, so don't know the top names) = American. Whatserface Kipyego and others who do likewise are NOT American.
I would consider your "thesis," if not for the fact that it is well known there are a lot of freaking racist ahole trumpdumsters on this site...
Well, you certainly prove there are a lot of morons here. :)
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A brief history of America:
1. Americans lived here for thousands of years
2. Europeans invaded, killed the Americans, and started a few colonies - New England, New France, New Spain - New York / New Amsterdam etc
3. The Brits were the strongest of the European invaders so ended up taking over most of the land. They had a civil war amongst themselves in 1776 over the right to call themselves the real "Americans".
4. These Europeans who called themselves Americans then brought over millions of black slaves to build the nation
5. Eventually they bow to international pressure and stopped slavery and begrudgingly allowed blacks to be Americans too - albeit with an "African American" label, which the European Americans do not have.
6. Oh, and the real Americans were called "Indians" for centuries before being given some sort of rights and now have the prefix "Native" before the word American.
So - when people say "American values" and "American culture" - what exactly are they?
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From LRC's recap of the women's race:
“I told Molly, ‘let’s do this,” Tuliamuk said. Seidel said, “Aliphine needs to take a lot of credit for this…I feel like I wouldn’t have been as calm in that breakaway with anyone else. Aliphine is someone I look up to so much…To feel like this is a friend of mine who I know and I trust right now [was great].”
Tuliamuk and Seidel were all alone up front as they continued to push and pull away from everyone else. “If we were going down we were going down together. There is no one I would rather get to share those miserable last 5 miles with,” Seidel said.
Clearly, the runner up is full of admiration for the winner, whom she also trains with. I suggest those who never come anywhere close to even qualifying for the trials don't get to say who is deserving to be on the US team.
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