Half of the remaining days are rest days (even if tiebreaks needed)? What is this "sport"?
23 Nov, rest day
24 Nov, Game 11
25 Nov, rest day
26 Nov, Game 12
27 Nov, rest day if needed
28 Nov, tiebreaks if needed
Half of the remaining days are rest days (even if tiebreaks needed)? What is this "sport"?
23 Nov, rest day
24 Nov, Game 11
25 Nov, rest day
26 Nov, Game 12
27 Nov, rest day if needed
28 Nov, tiebreaks if needed
Giri: And now we're guaranteed 12 games, which is a good thing!
Grischuk: For whom?
paging polborta .... wrote:
(Grischuk woops Svidler, all link quoters must be band)
Those guys are grandmasters and were thinking barely 2 or 3 moves ahead. Svidler constantly regretting recent moves and guessing he'll get a pawn back after a long exchange. They're just muddling their way through based on experience and rote form.
That's what I hate about chess. I'm not gonna play a million times just to develop that ability.
Russian viewpoints of the Westerners matchup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgy9TAZrKmc
https://rg.ru/2018/11/23/iliumzhinov-nabliudaia-za-matchem-karlsena-i-karuany-mozhno-zasnut.html
Russian grand master Sergey Karjakin says the world of chess doesn’t need to be sexed up with added glamor, claiming that the battle of intellectual wills was already attracting more and more people to take part. In an exclusive interview with RUSSIA TODAY, the 2016 world blitz champion named the favorite of the ongoing World Chess Championship, talked about chess’s integration into modern cinema, and offered his strategy for popularizing chess without the ‘undressing wave’ that has swept other sports.
Karjakin took part in the unusual chess tournament “Stars against robot” at the World Chess Club Moscow, commenting on matches involving Russian celebrities who tried to win a brain battle against digital intellect.
The 28-year-old grand master said he enjoyed the experience of commenting on chess games, rejecting the stereotype that chess players are dull and unsociable.
“There is a common belief that chess players are presumably nerds who were ridiculed at school,” Karjakin said.
“But I will prove you that this opinion is wrong. I think that chess players are quite cheerful people, we love to have fun. I can tell you that chess players’ hobbies vary from quadricycles to parachute jumping.”
Talking about ways to promote chess, Karjakin stressed that the sport is gaining more popularity with the involvement of many international stars.
“Recently (I) saw Maria Sharapova’s tweet where she played chess (with English business magnate Richard Branson). This of course helps to raise popularity of chess, the more world famously known people will play chess – the better. But I think that chess is quite a popular and self-supporting sport, but we should not stop with what has already been achieved attracting more people to the sport,” the chess player said.
When asked whether he would like to teach Sharapova to play chess, the grand master said he doesn’t need much hype surrounding his personality, adding that chess players “don’t have to strip off” to gain widespread public attention.
“I’m not trying to make the headlines at all costs,” Karjakin said. “I think that chess should follow its own way, we don’t need to strip off during matches or to use other methods to gain public attention. We just want to show that chess is an interesting and intellectual sport.”
Karjakin, who is closely following the ongoing World Chess Championship in London, says that the reigning world title holder Magnus Carlsen will more likely retain his crown.
“I think that Carlsen has a slight advantage against Fabiano Caruana, but of course anything can happen after so many games have been tied. A slight mistake can affect the outcome of the championship. So I think Carlsen should be very cautious, he cannot afford himself to lose a game right now. If the match is tied at the end Carlsen will have an advantage at the tie-break.”
draw draw draw draw draw wrote:
Half of the remaining days are rest days (even if tiebreaks needed)? What is this "sport"?
23 Nov, rest day
24 Nov, Game 11
25 Nov, rest day
26 Nov, Game 12
27 Nov, rest day if needed
28 Nov, tiebreaks if needed
They actually burn more calories in a world championship match than the6 would in a game of baseball. Interesting fact.
Well it ain't the Karpov vs Kasparov 1984 match.
Remember, these guys are about two to three ELO rating points between
each other. Unfortunately, Carlsen is the stronger blitz player, due
to his internet games with Nakamura.
Nothing personal against Magnus Carlsen, I've followed his games (Chess magazine)
since he was a child but Fabiano is still a dangerous foe, had the right idea in
Game One (a 100+move game), the savant Carlsen games (overall) if I remember sic, (a Chess
Journal analysis) has a weakness in the b-file.
I think that was Fabs point in Game One!?
But...Fabiano is no Mikhail Tal, he does have right idea.
I'd really like to see Fabiano take the crown.
Go America!
Not impressed by Game 11. The online commentary quickly became whether some line was a 99.9% draw versus a different 100% draw line.
sit in game 11, kick in game 12? wrote:
Not impressed by Game 11. The online commentary quickly became whether some line was a 99.9% draw versus a different 100% draw line.
" I don't see how Magnus could have been prepared up to Bd3 and (simultaneously) surprised when Black plays the best move according to both human and silicon practice."
Carlsen had the extra farmer, but was dealt by the elephants again. Every game they escape him.
Mutual fear.
I suspect that the twelve draws in classical play will be bad publicity for chess. The format for future world championships may need to be rethought.
Chess.com has eight of the strongest commercially available chess engines playing a double-round-robin tournament beginning at the final position (after black's 31st move) of game twelve. In the first game, Stockfish (3450 rating, playing black) checkmated Leela (3382 rating, playing white) on the 96th additional move (that is, move 127 of the game). In the second game, currently in progress, Stockfish is playing white and Leela is playing black.
This has got to be the dumbest gimmick around to decide how a game "should" end.
Chess.com has really gone off the rocker recently.
Chess24 was worse though, with their "AI expert" Matt Sadler wheezing around about the unworldly acumen of AlphaZero (to which he has access) which had all the plans foreseen for Games 1-8, etc., when the same amorphous conclusions could be obtained from just about any engine, just without all the Google-borne hype.
CHESS IS DRAW wrote:
This has got to be the dumbest gimmick around to decide how a game "should" end.
Chess.com has really gone off the rocker recently.
Chess24 was worse though, with their "AI expert" Matt Sadler wheezing around about the unworldly acumen of AlphaZero (to which he has access) which had all the plans foreseen for Games 1-8, etc., when the same amorphous conclusions could be obtained from just about any engine, just without all the Google-borne hype.
Chess24 had Svidler, Grischuk, and Anish commenting today. That's former world number 4, 3, and 3, representing 3 generations of players, 2 of whom played to face the world champ (and the third is still young). Grischuk is also one of the best blitz players on the planet (he even did well against Carlsen, down 1 point over 15 blitz matches).
It's weird that you're concerned with some video they posted as a sidenote. AlphaZero is probably stronger than any other engine right now, so it's cool that he was given access to it. (Ok I admit I fell asleep towards the end of his video, but it was also well past midnight :p )
Bad Wigins wrote:
paging polborta .... wrote:
(Grischuk woops Svidler, all link quoters must be band)
Those guys are grandmasters and were thinking barely 2 or 3 moves ahead. Svidler constantly regretting recent moves and guessing he'll get a pawn back after a long exchange. They're just muddling their way through based on experience and rote form.
That's what I hate about chess. I'm not gonna play a million times just to develop that ability.
LOL, so that's why you decided to become a *distance runner*?
If you like it you like it.
Conspiracy theory! They agreed to draw to even the stakes and guarantee at least 45% of the money for each of them.
Decidedly un-Magnus to offer the draw, but mathematically correct... i guess
Still, if Magnus doesn't have the confidence to grind out that position, are we really going to assume such a large rapid and larger blitz advantage still? Dude looks different than a few years ago
Harambe wrote:
Decidedly un-Magnus to offer the draw, but mathematically correct... i guess
Still, if Magnus doesn't have the confidence to grind out that position, are we really going to assume such a large rapid and larger blitz advantage still? Dude looks different than a few years ago
If he has a 50 Elo edge in rapid, that's about 70-75% to win a 4-game mini-match (FIDE to blame, should be 2-game IMO), even assuming something more like 150 Elo in blitz
On the board, he was definitely better than 3:1 in winning-vs-losing chances. I couldn't see him worse than 40%-10%-50% (WLD), and it was likely more like only 5% for Caruana to be gifted a win.
OTOH, in Game 12 vs Karjakin, yeah, he was maybe a 5:2 (30%-12%-58%) win-v-loss from having White, while his rapid edge was more like 75 Elo over him, plus the psychological effect. There it was debatable, here it seems not.
But maybe he was just ill or something, we don't really know (and of course, they won't leak that info).
AlphaZero is probably stronger than any other engine right now, so it's cool that he was given access to it.
Believers will always indulge their wishful thinking.
Alpha Zero still hasn't published the "games" it purports to have won over Stockfish (more of "poorly controlled move sampling in a pseudo-game context"), after how many months/years?
Leela shows proof in concept of/c, but everyone already knew that. It's the actual "stronger" that's the keyword....
math+chess wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Decidedly un-Magnus to offer the draw, but mathematically correct... i guess
Still, if Magnus doesn't have the confidence to grind out that position, are we really going to assume such a large rapid and larger blitz advantage still? Dude looks different than a few years ago
If he has a 50 Elo edge in rapid, that's about 70-75% to win a 4-game mini-match (FIDE to blame, should be 2-game IMO), even assuming something more like 150 Elo in blitz
On the board, he was definitely better than 3:1 in winning-vs-losing chances. I couldn't see him worse than 40%-10%-50% (WLD), and it was likely more like only 5% for Caruana to be gifted a win.
OTOH, in Game 12 vs Karjakin, yeah, he was maybe a 5:2 (30%-12%-58%) win-v-loss from having White, while his rapid edge was more like 75 Elo over him, plus the psychological effect. There it was debatable, here it seems not.
But maybe he was just ill or something, we don't really know (and of course, they won't leak that info).
That's pretty much what I was thinking. I haven't heard or read any explanations for Magnus's decision, which seems so contrary to what he would have done a few years ago.