GALEN RUPP APPRECIATION THREAD

What the heck?? I said reality is illusion dude!!! Shows that indeed you didn't read all my lengthy posts and then misunderstand them due to your lack of diligence which affected your reading comprehension!!!

Did you know, dear rekrunner, I pour through every word of your posts like Scripture waiting to either celebrate or condemn you. So far I only find fodder to condemn you and your evil nature, dear rekrunner!!!

I don't even want to play your game, where you make up the rules as you go, and judge the winner.

Speaking of "Shows that indeed you didn't read all my lengthy posts and then misunderstand them due to your lack of diligence which affected your reading comprehension".

Here you make two comprehension failures.

I do not now "tend to admit that USADA is a twisted organization". Rather I denied that I was the source of any alleged twists, and listed many parties who were responsible for the outcomes I accurately summarized.

Furthermore, I was talking about whether "NOPers" were dopers. I did not talk about Salazar, except to say he was not convicted of doping any NOP athletes.

I understood you suggested that reality is an illusion -- ironically based on objective observations of reality.

That doesn't mean your illusions are reality.

LOL, look Mr rekrunner, even the rules themselves dissolve and reincarnate in different forms because rules are part of illusion duh!!!

Don't tell me I make the rules as I go because precisely THAT IS WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE! That's called CASE BY CASE BASIS DUH!!!!!! Which is manipulating the sequence and priority of rules in space and time duh!!!!

And you expect us to play your immoral and hypocritical game then?

Look Mr rekrunner, so you don't think that supporters of wrong-doing aren't as bad as wrong-doers themselves? If USADA is twisted and you use their twisted summary to offer us as proof of anything then you aren't equally twisted??? Really very hypocritical right here dear rekrunner!!!

If you say Salaazar isn't convicted of doping any NOP athlete then how can you not be talking about him? And why are you admitting to us that 'you didn't talk about Salaazar' as if trying to run away from the subject in general??? Are you guilty af????? You been guilty enough about something about him???

Look rekrunner, you haven't poke holes in any of my superior theory of illusion as much as you did your own fallen one!!!

I don't know why LRCers have so much respect or upvotes for you because based on my interaction with you I am extremely shocked at how impotent you are at various knowledge and understanding!

Not sure everybody is going to be able to read this sentence. How letsrunners would of said it -

If he would of sat on the back of the pack he would of easily been at least 3rd.

Then let's play your game.

New rule. In your case without basis, I rule your accusations of immorality and hypocrisy are just illusion. Duh!

New rule. I'm the judge and you lose.

I don't expect you to play anything. Make yourself happy and play with yourself.

So many comprehension failures and lack of diligence and failure to read. I didn't say USADA was twisted, or their summary was twisted, or that they are supporters of wrong-doing. I certainly don't support wrong-doers or wrong-doings.

I did comment on the handle "NOPers are dopers", and I already gave you the sole exception of the failure to link Salazar to any alleged "NOPers are dopers", despite a lengthy USADA investigation.

I don't generally run away from the subject of Salazar. It's just that he is not the subject here, nor of my previous comment.

By the way, Salazar believes in Jesus and scriptures and God. Ooops -- I spoke about Salazar again. Now there are two exceptions.

The 10,000 in 2012. I was so excited seeing him come down the final stretch.

But, I will say, the Prague Marathon when he came back. It showed it's actually possible to have a bad day and bounce back.

Ok how about this dear rekrunner, how about we play your game and show you why it's twisted, immoral and hypocritical okay???

How about I ask your lackey Alberto Salaazar to sexually assault your mum, wife, sister, or any other female relative and ask him to take care to avoid all CCTV cameras in the backyard, front of the house etc and when your mum, wife, sister or any other female relative come rushing at you crying out loud that your lackey Alberto Salaazar has placed his filthy hands on their private body parts against their consent or will that you shall DEMAND from your mum, wife, sister, or any other female relative that they PROVE THEIR DAMN CLAIM 100% in a court of law first before you ever believe them!!!! And after discrediting your mum, wife, sister, or any other female relative, you will 'show utmost affection in glowing terms' for Salaazar by telling the whole wide world that he was after all a very good coach who has contributed a lot to improve the sport of distance running in the face of pleas from your mum, wife, sister or any other female relative that they had been sexually assaulted by Salaazar as if to say to them that Salaazar's glowing achievements in the sport SHOULD BE MORE THAN ABLE TO PARDON ANY CRIME OF SEXUAL ASSAULT EVEN IF IT WERE PROVEN TRUE 100% IN A COURT OF LAW!!!!

Shall we try this dear rekrunner??? Shall we make sure your mum, wife, sister, or any other female relative whom you as a man should be protecting shall suffer and experience the exact same scenario or behavior of Salaazar's you are trying to exonerate and absolve????

Wanna test it out now dear rekrunner??? Come on man.......you pervert!!!

I know you won't try it because you will be extremely guilty of your stupidity and at how if I reversed the roles and have it happen on your wife, daughter, sister, or mother that you will be tragically sorrowful!!!

It's quite obvious you have lost the argument against a superior reasoning RF King like me, Khamis and caught tongue-tied now have you??? Hahaha........

Bloody two-faced pervert you rekrunner!!!

"certainly don't support wrong-doers or wrong-doings" LOL, dun make me laugh you pervert!! Read my latest reply to your comment at how I shall reverse the roles and have your darling wife, mum, sister or otherwise be placed under the spotlight and suffer indignity and impropriety under Salaazar's hands!!! Let's see if you shall still hold steadfast to your loyalty to legal pomposity!!!

"failure to link Salaazar to any dopers....." LOL, how about failure to link your wife's, mum's or sister's sexual assault by Salaazar to Salaazar himself???

"don't run away from the subject of Salaazar......" LOL, how about I get Salaazar to sexually outrage your wife, mum or sister and see whether you want to stick close to him or run away???

"you didn't say USADA was twisted......" LOL, have you heard of a Freudian Slip?? It's a subconscious portrayal of your truest intentions and motives when you suddenly make a denial about USADA!!!

This looks like an attempted "proof by imagination" -- hardly superior by any measure.

Your RF-jester inferior reasoning appeal to irrational emotion analogy fails, because there was a great deal of evidence collected. The USADA investigation yielded, "a wide range of evidence ... including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records. ... more than 2,000 exhibits, ... 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts" -- in addition to many years of urine and blood tests from the NOP athletes, both in and out of competition.

As we have recently seen, simply having two contemperaneous outcry witnesses without CCTV camera footage is still quite valuable evidence, worth an estimated $88.3 million.

Look, dear idiot rekrunner, I decided to pull up USADA's website and AAA panel findings to check your statements against theirs. I'm reading their findings on Alberto word for word right now you idiot! I'm shocked that you have cherry-picked the information to absolve Alberto, and, his NOPer athletes as 'not guilty of doping' after what I have read and comprehended???

You filthy pervert!!!!! If Rojo ever found out about your deceptive personality in contrast to my self-sacrificial and unconditional loving one, he would have you hanged I swear man!!! Let me cut and paste the relevant sections right now:

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USADA’s investigation yielded a wide range of evidence referenced in the hearing, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records. Between the two cases, USADA relied on more than 2,000 exhibits, which the AAA heard along with the defendants’ cases. In all, the proceedings included 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts" (This is the only correct statement you lifted!)

You then had the gall to omit the following incriminating FINAL CONCLUSIVE findings:

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The panel determined that Salazar committed the following violations of the Code:
Administration of a Prohibited Method (with respect to an infusion in excess of the applicable limit),
Tampering and/or attempted tampering with the doping control process, and
Trafficking of testosterone through involvement in a testosterone testing program in violation of the rules." (I'm shocked now rekrunner!!!)

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The panel determined that Brown violated anti-doping rules by:
Tampering with patient records under WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) Code Art. 2.5 (2009 & 2015), which carries a sanction of 2 years WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2009), and 4 years under WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2015).
Brown Decision
Administration of an over-limit L-carnitine infusion under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009 & 2015), which carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 10.3.3 (2015).
Complicity in Salazar’s trafficking of testosterone under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 2.9 (2015). Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009), a complicity violation carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban. Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.4 (2015), a complicity violation carries a sanction of 2 to 4 years." (Again I'm shocked rekrunner, why didn't you tell us all these huh?)

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With respect to the evidence of extensive and troubling medical coordination between Salazar and Dr. Brown, the Salazar panel wrote: “Respondent and Dr. Brown communicated repeatedly about the athletes of the NOP’s performance and medical conditions, exchanging information without any apparent formal authorization by the athletes at the NOP or distinction between Dr. Brown’s role as an athlete’s physician and NOP consultant. Respondent and Dr. Brown shared information with the aim of improving the athletes’ performance via medical intervention, with a particular interest in increasing testosterone levels.” (Had I known this so explicitly as I am now reading, I would have hanged you dear rekrunner!!! You fail to mention any conflicts of interests as unethical practice of sport on Salaazar's part).

Okay so you are suggesting that I get Salaazar to sexually assault your wife, mum or sister under the guise of a few touchy feely drinks and loving massages and then have 2 of them outcry to the cops while you watch as a bystander instead trying to clear Salaazar's name of any guilt both due to 1) lack of CCTV evidence, and 2) that he has been a very good coach with lots of positive contributions to the sport???? Bwahahahahaha, taking a leaf from our dear Haseyo!

Unbelievable rekrunner, don't shame yourself man.......

Look here court jester. Before you compare anything to "my statements", please first read "my statements" and try a little harder to comprehend them. Otherwise no meaningful comparison is possible.

Indeed there were several AAA Panel findings against Salazar and also Dr. Brown. I never said nor implied otherwise. And I do not absolve Alberto of any of his convictions, nor even attempt to.

Recall this is an appreciation thread about Galen Rupp, an NOP athlete, and not about Salazar.

As such, my statements were about "NOP athletes", including Galen Rupp, and whether they were ever "charged" with doping. To the extent it was about Salazar, it was only about what the AAA Panel (and all other parties) did not find about "NOP athletes", rather than what they found, without "NOP athletes".

Here's what I said: "No NOP athlete was ever charged for doping, and Salazar was not convicted for doping any NOP athlete".

Nowhere in your list of quotes do you say otherwise. Nor can you. Nor can anyone. Not only from looking at the AAA Panel findings, but also the subsequent CAS appeal, and any subsequent investigation by the IOC/WADA into Olympic NOP athletes, and as an added bonus, all of the USADA/IAAF/AIU/IOC anti-doping testing of all NOP athletes in the entirety of NOP's nearly two decades of existence.

I did not cherry pick any information, but summarized the end result of the accumulation of all findings from all sources for all NOP athletes.

Look I rather be called a court-jester or RF-jester than be called a pervert which I'm calling you one now you pervert!!!

Sorry, dear rekrunner, I've been fooled by your semantics. I didn't know you play this game of semantics so indiscreetly and pretentiously with such great intensity even I am more disconcerted about your game than ever!!!

You are playing around with the letters and words while I'm targeting only the SPIRIT of the letter!!!! Because I'm operating on a different basis based on the SPIRIT rather than the LETTER of the letter, from this vantage point I feel I have been greatly deceived and lied to by you, damn it!!!!

I'm very wary about you from now on and what you spin with words and letters damn it!!!

Let me show you why AAA's statements and findings DOES NOT AMOUNT or PERMIT YOU to even make those statements you make such as, I lift from you:

"No NOP athlete was ever charged for doping, and Salazar was not convicted for doping any NOP athlete".

This statement has not been vetted and approved by USADA or AAA. Nowhere in their lists of quotes do they say, make, or amount to the statements you make!!! In fact, quite to the contrary, the original charge sheet of USADA's was extremely damning with accusations and charges of doping by Salaazar on NOP athletes. Obviously the NOP athletes are unlikely to know how to dope themselves up, they had to take instruction from Salaazar himself as the technical director of the NOP program! Your statements are therefore YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION of AAA's findings and results which I reject, and many more on LRC have rejected and downvoted you!!!

1)Administration of a Prohibited Method (with respect to an infusion in excess of the applicable limit),
2)Tampering and/or attempted tampering with the doping control process, and
3)Trafficking of testosterone through involvement in a testosterone testing program in violation of the rules.

NOWHERE IN AAA'S LIST OF QUOTES DOES IT STATE THAT SALAAZAR ISN'T CHARGED WITH DOPING IN THE SLIGHTEST, NOR ANY OF NOPers THE SAME!!!! YOU ADDED YOUR OWN SPIN TO THE WHOLE THING YOU IDIOT!!!!

Since you are so pedantic and scrupulous with your game of words, I will have to hold you to the same standards you hold yourself too hahahahahaha!!!! Ooops, my bad!!!! I will take only the AAA's findings word for word with no leeway for rephrasing, re-stating, deduction, interpretation on your part. You, of all people on this planet earth shall not be given the liberty to interpret anything at all!!!

Now I understand why you have trouble interpreting electromagnetic field theory science, and/or the harmful effects of anthropogenic RF and EMF!!!

Thank you for everything, dear rekrunner, but just as I spoke to you the first time 2 weeks ago, I see through your fake appearance, you have no substance and people would rather take my 'RF-jesting' to your 'deceitful offerings'!!!!

Name-calling doesn't hurt me. But it is a curious contrast that you sell yourself as some super-moral celibitaire by choice, while seemingly a little too obsessed with sexual perversion.

You are not a victim of any 4D level chess game of semantics. Quite fundamentally you still fail to understand that the subjects of my statements ("NOP athletes") and your rebuttals ("Salazar") are not the same, both in WORDS and in SPIRIT.

My claim is fundamentally about something you will find nowhere. I cannot quote something from a report that I claim fundamentally cannot be found in that report.

You will not find "NOP athletes" charges/sanctions in an AAA Panel report that found against Salazar and Dr. Brown.

If you read deeply enough into the findings of the AAA Panel report, you will eventually learn that the findings of 1) "administration" concerns Magness' 1L infusion of L-Carnitine (a WADA legal substance); and 2) "tampering" concerns an email sent to NOP athletes; and 3) "trafficking" concerns Alberto's sons.

It is not my "spin" that none of these findings involve the doping of NOP athletes. That is made plain by the AAA Panel after reading the report in its entirety. It is notable by its absence, and the silence is deafening.

Your narrow focus on the AAA Panel report is also far too limiting. My claim is that no matter where you look, anywhere and everywhere, you will fail to find any formal charge against any NOP athlete by any anti-doping organization in its entire history of existence, whether it is from anti-doping testing, or thorough investigation.

This is not only plainly vetted by history, but also by USADA's chief Travis Tygart. In 2019, in response to WADA's announcement to perform their own investigation, at the IOC's request, of NOP athletes, we can find quotes like:

"There is no point in the World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) looking into athletes who trained under banned coach Alberto Salazar because the U.S. Anti-doping Agency has already done that, USADA chief Travis Tygart said on Wednesday."

"USADA did not sanction any of (Salazar's) athletes after finding no evidence of any wrongdoing by them."

Tygart: "What they (WADA) would have learned is that we left no stone unturned (in relation to any athletes)."

Conclusion:

No spin. No semantics. NOP athletes? No evidence. No charges. No sanctions. Vetted by USADA.

reuters.com

No point WADA looking into Salazar athletes - USADA's Tygart

Karolos Grohmann

There is no point in the World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) looking into athletes who trained under banned coach Alberto Salazar because the U.S. Anti-doping Agency has already done that, USADA chief Travis Tygart said on Wednes...

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No. Several charges were about NOP athletes. See CAS report page 16:

56. USADA alleged the following ADRVs against Mr. Salazar in Section 4 of its Statement of Appeal:

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7. Possession of excessive amounts of testosterone without acceptable justification and in connection with athletes[/v], training and/or competition during 2008-2013

8. Possession of testosterone in furtherance of the testosterone excretion experiment without acceptable justification and [b]in connection with athletes, training or competition

9. Administration and/or attempted administration of additional over limit L-carnitine infusions to Mr Ritzenhein, Ms. Begay, Ms. Grunnagle, Mr. Rupp and Mr. Horn during December 2011 through January 2012, and/or complicity in the foregoing infusions

Too much spinning from you, rekrunner.

Thanks I saw all that too!!! Rekrunner has really lied to me!!! I'm very disappointed. This man cannot be trusted. It seems he is the only one in the entire LRC or the world that has such generosity towards Salaazar??? Bloody hell!!