Ackley wrote:
buzzcolorado wrote:
Isn't your "A goal" supposed to be the hardest to reach, and B/C/D progressively easier? His "A goal" is the least ambitious one.
Yes.
Seems like he does it backwards. His system would probably make more sense if he called them goals #1, 2, 3 (highest priority is to marathon PR, then to go sub-2:20, lowest priority/hardest goal is top 3 American)
ClaytonHammer wrote:
There is ZERO change SJD's family of 6 living off his running "income" alone. Buying a $1M house and raising 4 kids requires a shyte ton of money in a HCOL like Colorado. Either his wife is working (and she better be making BANK to offset preschool/daycare), or they have other sources of money.
I suspect they made out *very* well on the sale of the old house. Think it was close to $600k and I wouldn't be surprised if they had it paid off. He also does a patreon-like membership thing through youtube which may bring in more income than the videos alone.
Good for him, he's an excellent video producer and I enjoy his enthusiasm, reminds me of my old high school coach.
ClaytonHammer wrote:
Look at Sage Canaday (who I respect, despite the occasional trolling):
- He's been around way longer - has videos going back 13 years.
- Sage has 210k subs vs 148k for SJD.
- Sage has 7 vids with over 500k views, the top one which has 3m views and is probably now considered a 'classic'. Seth has one video with over 500k views (670k to be exactly).
- I'd bet that Sage's subs are worth more to advertisers, as they tend to be serious hobbyjoggers versus noob hobbyjoggers that follow SJD.
- Sage has a ton of sponsors
- Sage has a WAY bigger presence on Instagram and other social media where you can get nice change for product promotions.
And yet, Sage has on numerous occasions hinted that his lifestyle is frugal and spartan by necessity, and he's obviously not getting super rich off his running career. He does it for the love of the sport. Plus his wife/gf pulls in some extra income and they don't have kids.
Based on these facts, Demoor must be pulling in maybe half of what Sage Canaday pulls in. It seriously wouldn't shock me if all-in SJD gets $30-40k/year income from his running.
This is a hobby for SJD - period. The math doesn't work out any other way. You don't raise 4 kids in a HCOL area buying a million dollar home without a combined income of probably $250k, minimum. The dude has access to serious cash and he's not afraid to show it.
I have no idea how Youtube works, but Seth puts out way more volume. His daily vlogs usually have about 20,000 views within a couple of days. In addition to the daily vlog, Seth does a couple of live streams a week.
Sage vlogs maybe once or twice a week.
Also, Seth's subscriber base may have more disposable income and be more attractive to advertisers.
Yeah I find his training for other races to be quite good, but his road marathon training seems very little researched with very little specificity other than mileage and long runs. Why not copy what the top marathoners when running is so highly prioritized in his life.
COrunner12 wrote:
I’ve run 2:24, and Seth has beaten me pretty handily in races we’ve done (trail). He has the talent to be a 2:16-2:18 guy, maybe even 2:13-2:15. But that is still worlds away from being top 3 or top American in a major.
Give him synthroid and he’ll run 210 easy.
surprised you guys hate on guys like seth, ath special, tin, etc.. they have the guts to follow their dreams and see where it takes them. They will never have to look back and say what if. I admire anyone who steps out on a limb regardless of the ridicule.
flyingfrog wrote:
surprised you guys hate on guys like seth, ath special, tin, etc.. they have the guts to follow their dreams and see where it takes them. They will never have to look back and say what if. I admire anyone who steps out on a limb regardless of the ridicule.
+1
highhoppingworm wrote:
Ya WTF... completely incorrect thread title with a bunch of pricks piling on. Seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for him to be a top 3 age grouper. Seems like an alright dude. What did he ever do to any of you?
He became an icon in our little running world, and they didn't.
Yep. That's all
Appreciation?? wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
Ya WTF... completely incorrect thread title with a bunch of pricks piling on. Seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for him to be a top 3 age grouper. Seems like an alright dude. What did he ever do to any of you?
He became an icon in our little running world, and they didn't.
Yep. That's all
That ain’t it.
This thread is filled with mostly delusionality, but also a hint of legitimacy. The "Top 3" C-Goal was marketing click bait since he actually meant Top 3 age group finish.
If you're a current/former runner who likes to sit with your arms crossed and judge people based purely on results, then Seth's channel isn't for you. Don't watch. No one is making you.
If his short vlogs give you a hint of positivity and motivation, then watch. I personally tune in to the shoe reviews exclusively, rather than his personal life stuff, and have learned a lot about shoe companies I haven't bought from.
Some in this thread have been critical of the "corporatization" of Seth's channel the last 6-12 months. I tend to agree, and have gone from a daily viewer to an "every once in a while if a shoe catches my eye" viewer. But I disagree that he's egotistical. It's just business/YouTube. As a weekly podcaster, I can't imagine coming up with content on a daily basis. But that's why running is my passion and escape, not my career :)
Kudos to the guy. He went from being a somewhat unfamous guy on a Catholic TV broadcast to making a few thousand a month from people dropping $2.99 per month to watch his otherwise free videos. Now he has become such an influencer, shoe companies are funding his lifestyle with nice trips to France and NYC. Video tape some sunrises and make cash. You have to get up early to do it.
His marathon training is completely wacky and no one should follow his advice there. My prediction is that he finishes about around 23rd best American in the race with a 2:22 and change.
flyingfrog wrote:
surprised you guys hate on guys like seth, ath special, tin, etc.. they have the guts to follow their dreams and see where it takes them. They will never have to look back and say what if. I admire anyone who steps out on a limb regardless of the ridicule.
“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”
Ackley wrote:
COrunner12 wrote:
I’ve run 2:24, and Seth has beaten me pretty handily in races we’ve done (trail). He has the talent to be a 2:16-2:18 guy, maybe even 2:13-2:15. But that is still worlds away from being top 3 or top American in a major.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think Seth is a 2:17:00 guy based on what he showed in Amsterdam
He runs 2:23 on a flat Amsterdam course and that means you think he is a 2:17 guy? No way he breaks 2:20 in New York this year, a course much more challenging than Amsterdam. 5th American will probably be 2:14 and change, so he's obviously not going to be top 3 americans. My top 5 are Ben True and then 4 of several people not named Seth Demoor.
Based on What? wrote:
Ackley wrote:
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think Seth is a 2:17:00 guy based on what he showed in Amsterdam
He runs 2:23 on a flat Amsterdam course and that means you think he is a 2:17 guy? No way he breaks 2:20 in New York this year, a course much more challenging than Amsterdam. 5th American will probably be 2:14 and change, so he's obviously not going to be top 3 americans. My top 5 are Ben True and then 4 of several people not named Seth Demoor.
He went through halfway in Amsterdam in 1:06:52 and held on to finish in 2:23. That suggests about a 2:17.
He has been injury free for almost two years since he was injured shortly after his Amsterdam/NYC/World Mountain Champs tour. He has put in a ton of mileage although without a marathon pace focus.
Like Sleepy saying he's going to play center for the Knicks.
If you can't run better than 2:10, you aren't a competitive marathoner.
Ackley wrote:
Based on What? wrote:
He runs 2:23 on a flat Amsterdam course and that means you think he is a 2:17 guy? No way he breaks 2:20 in New York this year, a course much more challenging than Amsterdam. 5th American will probably be 2:14 and change, so he's obviously not going to be top 3 americans. My top 5 are Ben True and then 4 of several people not named Seth Demoor.
He went through halfway in Amsterdam in 1:06:52 and held on to finish in 2:23. That suggests he is poorly disciplined in his training and racing.
FIFY
He does exactly zero marathon pace work, unless he's running a half that he's disappointed with.
2:24-25 if he even finishes.
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
He does exactly zero marathon pace work, unless he's running a half that he's disappointed with.
2:24-25 if he even finishes.
It didn’t look like he had to sh!t his shorts in the race video. It looked like he just went out at a pace he knew he couldn’t maintain and gave up. I’ve been there. Not a good feeling. His expectations were so ignorant to begin with. Dude is clueless about training, physiology, periodization, and nutrition.
supragraf wrote:
It didn’t look like he had to sh!t his shorts in the race video. It looked like he just went out at a pace he knew he couldn’t maintain and gave up.
Didn't watch him, but likely this. I mean, wouldn't someone just find a port-a-potty or run into a store or hid behind a bush or something and be done with it?