Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

Props to "I am Rossi" for keeping this thread interesting until the LVM reverses their, ummmm, finishes their statue of Mike to put near the finish line, for this years race.

SaraB wrote:

Mike Rossi is a cheater wrote:

I've been wondering this as well. Has anybody checked recently to see if all of the evidence that Sara B posted on her spreadsheet and blog is still there?

I forget the link.

I'm still here, just got very behind on the posts. Blog and spreadsheet are both still online

Did you ever hear from his "lawyer"? I think it's BS, and at best he may have made vague references to a lawyer to bully the marathon. I can't imagine a lawyer taking up this mess.

The Corrector wrote:

Sorry babe, he has been cleared and found out to be innocent, especially by those who count and have access to all the evidence.

The only ones who think he is "guilty" are the cyberbullies around here.

SaraB wrote:

Sorry, I'm reading through hundreds of posts to catch up.

I have nothing to apologise for, I stand by everything I said in my article (http://sarahbw80.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/catching-cheat-did-mike-rossi-cheat-to.html). Mike Rossi has not been cleared, he has been found guilty which is a very different thing. Should more evidence arise then a DQ could happen in the future. The burden should be on Rossi to prove that he ran the entire race and not for others to prove that he didn't.

Until evidence is released showing that Rossi ran the marathon he has not been cleared. Evidence will surface, it always does, but my instincts say that it will not be evidence in support of Rossi. So either share this so called evidence that you have or i'll just ignore your comments. Oh and please don't call me babe, it's demeaning.

LionelHutz wrote:

Did you ever hear from his "lawyer"? I think it's BS, and at best he may have made vague references to a lawyer to bully the marathon. I can't imagine a lawyer taking up this mess.

Nope, not heard a thing. I've not said anything that's libel though wasn't expecting to hear from one.

The Corrector wrote:

Honey, try to keep up. The evidence was presented to the LHVM race committee. It was part of their review of ALL the evidence.

We're going with honey now? Seriously? I'm ignoring everything else you said

The Corrector wrote:

Honey, try to keep up. The evidence was presented to the LHVM race committee. It was part of their review of ALL the evidence.

That's a lie.

Who let the trolls out? :) (P.s. You need to stop calling them all Mike, most of them can type better than him)

Having to resort to "honey" and "babe', of course means that he has no real facts or evidence to argue with all the facts and evidence that you have. You are right, just ignore him. He has nothing useful to say and zero credibility.

SaraB wrote:

The Corrector wrote:

Honey, try to keep up. The evidence was presented to the LHVM race committee. It was part of their review of ALL the evidence.

We're going with honey now? Seriously? I'm ignoring everything else you said

Sara, we are making sure (of East Coast Event Group) is in the subject line because there are other Mike Rossi runners and we feel this is the best way people don't get them confused.

triathleteguru wrote:

Sara, we are making sure (of East Coast Event Group) is in the subject line because there are other Mike Rossi runners and we feel this is the best way people don't get them confused.

Oh ok, but the company didn't do anything wrong right so shouldn't we not associate the two? Surely there's only one Mike Rossi who could be known as the viral marathon dad?

I'm also trying to put pressure on USATF, our track and field governing body over here, so I keep promoting this link:

https://www.facebook.com/USATFfans/posts/10153167174281645

as a central point to go to regarding this issue to put public pressure on them to at a minimum publicly address it and possibly reverse the decision themselves.

The Corrector wrote:

Sweetheart, you just don't want to admit that the LHVM had access to a lot more evidence hat cleared Rossi. But go ahead with your cyberbullying of some guy to don't even know.

And, babe, I'll call you whatever I want.

You obviously have no respect for women.

We all know that if you have a problem with powerful woman, you make a post on Facebook.

The Corrector wrote:

Sorry babe, he has been cleared and found out to be innocent, especially by those who count and have access to all the evidence.

The only ones who think he is "guilty" are the cyberbullies around here.

SaraB wrote:

Sorry, I'm reading through hundreds of posts to catch up.

I have nothing to apologise for, I stand by everything I said in my article (http://sarahbw80.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/catching-cheat-did-mike-rossi-cheat-to.html). Mike Rossi has not been cleared, he has been found guilty which is a very different thing. Should more evidence arise then a DQ could happen in the future. The burden should be on Rossi to prove that he ran the entire race and not for others to prove that he didn't.

He was not found to be innocent. The statement was non-committal. If the Committee believed that he was innocent they would have said so. Their statement left him hanging in a lot of respects. While the simple minded person may incorrectly infer that the statement implies he is innocent or did run the race, the statement does not say that. In addition, an as aside, when in the court of law there is a finding of "Not Guilty" that too is does not mean nor is it the same as "Innocent". They are two separate findings and have distinct differences.

NotABQer wrote:

Props to "I am Rossi" for keeping this thread interesting until the LVM reverses their, ummmm, finishes their statue of Mike to put near the finish line, for this years race.

I love this idea. make it like 2x life size, on a pedestal that reads, Mike Rossi, viral Boston Marathon Dad, Marathon Cheat. They could have several on the course and take a photo with the statue in-frame as you pass it.

Or, maybe just a life-sized one at the end? Can we get a mime to do it? I'd pitch in for a mime to be at the finish in a Mike Rossi, Marathon Cheat t-shirt.

This story is so entertaining. I'm easily entertained.

First off ..

There is no evidence that he cheated. That would mean that someone actually has factual evidence.

There is a lack of evidence that he may not of ran the entire course.

Any decent RD under those conditions would not have DQ'ed just to make Let's Run forum happy.

I could care less either way but the fact that people have spent a month on this topic and have done actual research is insane to me.

Want to make things right in the running world? Actually get out there and volunteer at a local event and make a real difference in the running community.

Timer Guy wrote:

First off ..

There is no evidence that he cheated. That would mean that someone actually has factual evidence.

There is a lack of evidence that he may not of ran the entire course.

Any decent RD under those conditions would not have DQ'ed just to make Let's Run forum happy.

I could care less either way but the fact that people have spent a month on this topic and have done actual research is insane to me.

Want to make things right in the running world? Actually get out there and volunteer at a local event and make a real difference in the running community.

I do volunteer at local events. What's wrong with doing research?

Timer Guy wrote:

First off ..

There is no evidence that he cheated. That would mean that someone actually has factual evidence.

There is a lack of evidence that he may not of ran the entire course.

Any decent RD under those conditions would not have DQ'ed just to make Let's Run forum happy.

I could care less either way but the fact that people have spent a month on this topic and have done actual research is insane to me.

Want to make things right in the running world? Actually get out there and volunteer at a local event and make a real difference in the running community.

For many of us, the lack of photos is evidence. We can discuss semantics but that is pointless.

You clearly don't know what grounds a RD needs to DQ a runner. tip: all you need to DQ someone is COJONES.

First, your premise is flawed. People working to get Mike Rossi DQed, as he deserves, could also be volunteering at running events, coaching teams, leading training groups and so forth. They are not mutually exclusive. I've logged thousands and thousands of volunteer hours in the running community and that makes me even more interested in busting this blatant cheater.

Second, there is at least enough evidence to win a civil case and probably even enough to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard as well, given a reasonable jury. You don't have to be in a picture for there to be evidence. Lack of being in a picture (or thousands) is also evidence. The problem here is not about the volume or quality of evidence. It is about the quality (or bias, or integrity) of the jury that looked at it (or failed to bother to look at it).

And one more note on failing to appear in a photo as evidence: If I had three photos of a kid's birthday party that had twenty guests and one kid did not appear in any of the three photos, I would not have particularly strong evidence that the kid was not at the party. Kids fly around like banshees at a party, I have very few photos, the kid could be camera shy, there could be several other kids not photographed, the kid could have arrived late or left early.

But when you have people moving past multiple fixed locations, confined to a street or bike path, and the time at which they should pass the points is in a relatively narrow window, and every single other person (of hundreds) is photographed multiple times, and a photo is being taken every 1.25 seconds and you can see 50 to 100 hundred yards behind the focus point for each shot, and there are over 1,000 photos, and so on...well, that is what they call evidence.