Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

I posted there. I also sent several individuals emails directly as I mentioned that I would.

RosieRossi wrote:

I'm not made of money but would toss in $100 for The Cheater Mike Rossi if he runs 3:11 or better.

trathleteguru wrote:

lol, if Mike Rossi wants to come to Columbia MO and run the Heart of America Marathon this year, I'll pay his entry fee plus a $1,000 bonus if he Boston Qualifies (while actually running the whole course). Read about it here:

http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51157/rr/Hal-Higdons-7-7-70-Quest-3-Heart-of-America-Marathon

or at their website:

http://www.columbiatrackclub.com/hoa/

It is a Rossi certified course in that there are no intermediate timing splits...

I make more money than you (which is not very much) but I'd still be willing to be $100k that you guys will get no results with this.

Did you guys just stop running altogether and start stalking anybody involved this marathon? SWEET!

Of course my family would be out on the course giving him an Ozark greeting: https://www.facebook.com/april.w.cantrell/videos/10206686083061600/

RosieRossi wrote:

I'm not made of money but would toss in $100 for The Cheater Mike Rossi if he runs 3:11 or better.

trathleteguru wrote:

lol, if Mike Rossi wants to come to Columbia MO and run the Heart of America Marathon this year, I'll pay his entry fee plus a $1,000 bonus if he Boston Qualifies (while actually running the whole course). Read about it here:

http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51157/rr/Hal-Higdons-7-7-70-Quest-3-Heart-of-America-Marathon

or at their website:

http://www.columbiatrackclub.com/hoa/

It is a Rossi certified course in that there are no intermediate timing splits...

triathleteguru wrote:

Put pressure on USATF wrote:

I've posted the video of the top 200 finishers passing the first photographer on USATF's facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/USATFfans/posts/10153167174281645

There have been some really good comments on the USATF facebook page under this post, keep it up! In my opinion, this is our best chance for getting the DQ, putting pressure on the USATF to invalidate the result. I think the LVM director would welcome USATF stepping in, it would make this all go away and she would not have to worry about a lawsuit.

Who is going to sue her? YOU?

Why? Because you are mad about a decision she made about the race she directed? You weren't even in the race.

Now you think you tough threatening to sue people? Now you tough like me huh?

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

concernedBQer wrote:

4. Odds of bib 2161 being missed by random chance at these

three locations: (25/200)x(2/200)x(7/200) = 1 in 22857. Put another way,

that makes it a 99.996% chance he didn't run through those locations.

You do not seem to understand statistics. This is a very common failing among the human species.

Please note:

A) "Given that someone ran through those three locations what are the odds that they would fail to show up in any picture taken at said locations?"

and

B) "Given that someone failed to show up in any pictures at those three locations what are the odds that they actually ran through all of them?"

are two fundamentally different questions.

Re. (B), you have to consider the additional piece of information that there's a photo of him crossing the finish line. So that leaves two possibilities, he either went through all 3 locations and was missed by random chance (question A), or he only went through 0,1, or 2 of the 3 locations, plus the finish line. The second possibility results in automatic disqualification. So to prove cheating, all you need to show that the scenario in question A has a very low odds of occurring.

If we assume that the three locations are independent Bernouilli trials (e.g., nobody told the photographers to explicity not photograph him), with p_1 = 1/200, p_2 = 25/200, p_3=7/200, where the p's are the prob. of being missed by the photographers, then multiplying the probs. is appropriate, giving 1 in 45714 odds of being missed by chance at all three locations.

By the way, you could get a considerably better probability estimate (and lower the odds even more) by increasing the photo analysis to the top 500 (or all) runners, and using all the photo locations on the course except the finish (there's at least 6 including a sequence 200 yards from the start line - no sign of Rossi there either). If you conservatively assume 50% of the top 200 runners were photographed at those other locations, the odds drop to 1 in 365712. The real question is, what odds would the VIA race director accept for a DQ?

Wrong

Mike Rossi may think the book has closed. LHVM and Lisa Walkiewicz may think the book has closed. But the truth is it will never close.

Truth - Verdict wrote:

Mike Rossi may think the book has closed. LHVM and Lisa Walkiewicz may think the book has closed. But the truth is it will never close.

The book is closed and burning in the trash can.

burn baby burn!

trathleteguru wrote:

lol, if Mike Rossi wants to come to Columbia MO and run the Heart of America Marathon this year, I'll pay his entry fee plus a $1,000 bonus if he Boston Qualifies (while actually running the whole course). Read about it here:

http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51157/rr/Hal-Higdons-7-7-70-Quest-3-Heart-of-America-Marathon

or at their website:

http://www.columbiatrackclub.com/hoa/

It is a Rossi certified course in that there are no intermediate timing splits...

Wrong. They take a split of EVERY runner every 3 miles and at half way. This is done the old-fashioned way by volunteers with a stopwatch and clipboard. only the finsh time is posted with results, but the RD will provide your splits if you email a request.

I doubt Saucy Rossi or you Jogger's World types stalking him would like the race much. It is often too hot and the finisher's medal is nothing special. I highly recommend it though.

abingtonrunner2 wrote:

I posted there. I also sent several individuals emails directly as I mentioned that I would.

did you really?

You should start using USPS. It is the official deliverer for stalkers

Everyone nice pressure but the bottom line every race Rossi ever does we are all going to have a good laugh because this cheater will never break

20 min 5K

40 min 10k

1:15 hour & 15 min -10 miler

1:40 hour & 40 min Half Marathon

3:45 hours & 45 min Full Marathon

I can never understand a person like him he knows what he did and he thinks everyone is stupid to just let it go .

Wait, MR broke 21 min in a 5K?

BeLikePre wrote:

Wait, MR broke 21 min in a 5K?

He hasn't but if he trained that's one time I bet he could hit.

Negative wrote:

BeLikePre wrote:

Wait, MR broke 21 min in a 5K?

He hasn't but if he trained that's one time I bet he could hit.

Agreed. Very few 5Ks have timing mats mid-course.

triathleteguru wrote:

Put pressure on USATF wrote:

I've posted the video of the top 200 finishers passing the first photographer on USATF's facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/USATFfans/posts/10153167174281645

There have been some really good comments on the USATF facebook page under this post, keep it up! In my opinion, this is our best chance for getting the DQ, putting pressure on the USATF to invalidate the result. I think the LVM director would welcome USATF stepping in, it would make this all go away and she would not have to worry about a lawsuit.

Rossi will get DQ'd as soon as you break 3:45 which is never.

The usatf doesn't care about this.

There is no pressure. Are you squeezing their budget? No. The media cycle on this dried up a month ago... Check Google results. Nobody cares.

It is a nonstory. Your emails are getting sent to spam.

It hurts to be this right.

I am rossi wrote:

The usatf doesn't care about this.

There is no pressure. Are you squeezing their budget? No. The media cycle on this dried up a month ago... Check Google results. Nobody cares.

It is a nonstory. Your emails are getting sent to spam.

It hurts to be this right.

The only reason the emails are going to spam is because they aren't long enough.

I'll bet if the pathetic losers righteous gang of freedom fighters here at Letsrun just try harder, we will reverse this!

Everyone: make your emails twice as long!

Send them to every Fox News outlet in the country!

Put down your Star Trek action dolls - this is more important!

I'll bet if we write a good 20,000 word email, 60 Minutes will totally pick this story up!

And then when we finally get Mike Rossi BQ'ed, a woman will finally kiss me!

THIS ISN'T OVER!!!

I'M NOT A LOSER!!!!

WHY DIDN'T MY MOMMY LOVE ME???? Oh God, it hurts so much.

I am rossi wrote:

The usatf doesn't care about this.

There is no pressure. Are you squeezing their budget? No. The media cycle on this dried up a month ago... Check Google results. Nobody cares.

It is a nonstory. Your emails are getting sent to spam.

It hurts to be this right.

Clearly people care. I agree that a DQ is now unlikely, but he will go down as one of the cheats, and a spectacular one at that. His family and friends need do no more than type his name into google and see what he is about. I can live with that. Enjoy buddy!

Yeah I just posted there as well. There is still plenty of heat, this thing isn't going away as quickly as MR or VIA hoped it would.So Mikey are you running Chicago?

abingtonrunner2 wrote:

I posted there. I also sent several individuals emails directly as I mentioned that I would.