Dunno if it's legit but on p. 2 of the article, the RD reverses the DQ because the runner and others presented evidence that she did cross the start line.
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Where's the DQ? wrote:
I don't get it Mike - I thought there were only 9 people talking about this. Apparently there are running clubs thousands of miles from PA talking about it. There are runners in Canada talking about it. On FB there are people from the UK posting on VIA's page. And the one thing they have in common besides running is believing you cheated.
The VIA RD really needs to get a set of stones and do the DQ. What a joke.
Dr feel bad wrote:
I live over 1000 miles away from Rossi. Lots of people in my running club are recreational, definitely do not peruse this forum. A shockingly high number know all about Mike Rossi and every single one I've talked to believe he cheated.
Reason is, the Boston Marathon is on par with the Olympics for this crowd. It is a dream many of them have, though many know they can never qualify. So, when some guy cheats his way into this hollowed ground, the anger they feel towards him is very palpable. I can't imagine his local running community ever welcoming him back in.
One lady just today said something to the effect of, "I just don't understand why he didn't run it as a charity runner. He didn't even need to cheat to get in! Wouldn't that have been an even better lesson for his kids to see?"
Isn't the VIA Marathon RD a woman?
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Old lady river wrote:
Times for the first three, shorter distances listed below were basically my PR's when I was in my early forties and running really well. The longer the race, the more I struggled, and I never got close to 3:11, even after some very good, marathon-specific training.
From what I've seen of Mr. Rossi's results, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell he could run 3:11. Especially without any sort of speed work, tempos, or race pace runs. In any of his training "bragging" blogs, I never once saw him reference this type of training. The man knows nothing about running. Nothing.
Rossi the Man wrote:
What Rossi Race Time should look like if he ran a 3:11 Marathon
Distance
Time
Pace/Mi
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1Mi
5:39.4
5:39
2Mi
12:01.0
6:00
5Km
19:38
6:19
10Km
40:47
6:34
1/2 Mar
1:30:54
6:56
Mar
3:11:19
7:18
I agree, which is why I don't understand how he could not be DQ by the ViA Marathon RD. wasn't USA T&F committee going to look into it with Yasso? Is Yasso being retarded like Jeff Galloway and his walking stuff?
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GregTR wrote:
abingtonrunner2 wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/Jlmsy2q.pngGregTR - can we get that chart sorted by date order with the LVM invcluded in the sort but highlight in red or some other color?
Thanks GregTR. I have drafted and am revising an email to the LVM RD and the Committee, all sponsors, many media outlets (tv/print) that I have contacts at, USATF, other sports orgs, and social media outlets and will be looking to also post it as an open letter to LVM and call for their conclusive proof that he completed 26.2 miles.
I assume that you don't mind if I reference this table. I will share an email shortly as I don't like using this forum.
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It's interesting that nobody has been posting tonight telling us to "get a life". It's like they got something better to do, like having dinner with friends, or going to the movies, or DJing a
wedding. The timing is uncanny.
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abingtonrunner2 wrote:I assume that you don't mind if I reference this table. I will share an email shortly as I don't like using this forum.
Reference away. I still think it's an exercise in futility at this point but I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Do you think Rossi just hitched a ride?
One of the things we look for in fraud is incentive to cheat and rationalization. This Rossi character made it clear on his blog sort of as motivation for himself to train hard (his version of 'hard' which might be all out crossfit 15 mile per week stuff) that he was going to make it to Boston no matter what This was his attitude so there's clear motive.
It's probably been mentioned earlier in this thread, but I noticed that when Rossi finished the via marathon on video, he sort of does a double fist pump with some kind of Metallica-like hand gesture with both arms, which is interesting to analyze because he seems able to do it with so much strength in the arms whereas the other finishing right in front of him would struggle to do that due to fatigue and having glycogen stores depleted after having just raced for over 3 hours. The energy with which Rossi pumps his arms makes it look more like a short run but not long like what you would expect after a glycogen-depleting 3 hour+ effort.
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GregTR wrote:
abingtonrunner2 wrote:I assume that you don't mind if I reference this table. I will share an email shortly as I don't like using this forum.
Reference away. I still think it's an exercise in futility at this point but I'd love to be proven wrong.
I agree that it is a long shot. But as the great Gretsky once said, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. More importantly, there are power in #s and consumer pressure. The more people who take a few to send an email expressing their concern, displeasure, etc, even to a sponsor or so, goes a long way. It does not hurt to try, and it does not cost anything. If one has time to post and analyze here, one has time to send an email,
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abingtonrunner2 wrote:
GregTR wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Jlmsy2q.png
Thanks GregTR. I have drafted and am revising an email to the LVM RD and the Committee, all sponsors, many media outlets (tv/print) that I have contacts at, USATF, other sports orgs, and social media outlets and will be looking to also post it as an open letter to LVM and call for their conclusive proof that he completed 26.2 miles.
I assume that you don't mind if I reference this table. I will share an email shortly as I don't like using this forum.
great job!
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10000 posts is coming jon snow wrote:
What trophy would she be entitled to ?
"She is fast too .... 10:42 mile pace" ????? Fast. ?????
No chip time means DQ. Doesn't mean she cheated intentionally No different than a double false start.
People are weird. In both directions. Some zealots trying to get rossi DQ. And others trying to undo a DQ.
I predict this thread will reach 10000 posts by July 1. Even though the thread has not trained for it or done the work
I can't believe they are going to reverse the MCM half disqualification. All of her other results are slightly slower than 2 hours, that 1:31 HM seems very far fetched to me,
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abingtonrunner2 wrote:
I agree that it is a long shot. But as the great Gretsky once said, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. More importantly, there are power in #s and consumer pressure. The more people who take a few to send an email expressing their concern, displeasure, etc, even to a sponsor or so, goes a long way. It does not hurt to try, and it does not cost anything. If one has time to post and analyze here, one has time to send an email,
I can always appreciate a good Gretzky quote!
I sent this e-mail yesterday to the RD of LVM:
I'm sure you've been bombarded by e-mails from fellow runners in recent days in light of the decision not to DQ Mike Rossi from the LVM marathon. I share the sentiment of all the runners who expressed their disappointment with the decision. We feel you let us and the sport of running down by not disqualifying Mr. Rossi. There is no doubt in my mind he cheated at your race. None. Zero. Zilch. I don't know if there is any room for you to reconsider the decision, I think you're between a rock and hard place and you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I feel your pain, and I'm sorry that some of the fellow runners have taken a not so professional approach in the matter. My only question is what would you or the panel that decided not to DQ Mr. Rossi would consider "concrete evidence"? As I mentioned Russell's Teapot before, there is no way for anyone to prove Mr. Rossi did not run the race. But Mr. Rossi should have plenty of supporting evidence that he did. The circumstantial evidence indicating that he did not run the race is extremely strong.
His self acknowledged PRs from shorter races a mere 4 months before the marathon indicate absolutely no chance of a 3:11 marathon. I'm an outlier myself who started running in January, 2010 and ran his first 5K in 24:04 that month. In October, 2010 I ran a 3:07 marathon. But I also lost 30 lbs between those two races, I ran a half marathon in 1:31 in the heat of June in Texas and ran a 59:30 15K race in September and I also ran a 3:05 and a 3:06 marathon in the months of November and December right after the 3:07. I was also xc national champion in Hungary at age 13 so I had the genes working for me.
So I represent the extreme of what can be attained with lucky genes and hard work and I have no doubt that Mr. Rossi could not have achieved what he claims to have achieved without cheating. I find it very surprising that you or anyone else who understands the basic physiology of running could see it any other way.
Regards,
I received no response to this e-mail as of now.
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First time posting on here. Been following this thread with interest the last day or two.
This data would be considerably strengthened if a couple of control subjects were also analyzed in the same way. At the moment an impartial observer could simply say that the 3:11 is an outlier due to LVM being a particularly fast course.
Why not pick several other competitors at LVM and do the same analysis looking at their recent 5k/5m/10k/HM/M race results? Select a few with ~ 3:11 finishes, others with times similar to the more realistic predicted finish time of MR (3:30-3:45). Then see how their LVM times/pace compare to their other recent results. That would enable easy course argument to be eliminated.
Apologies if someone's suggested something similar; given the size of the thread, bound to be some repetition. Good luck.
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Referring to this table:
http://i.imgur.com/Jlmsy2q.png
First time posting on here. Been following this thread with interest the last day or two.
This data would be considerably strengthened if a couple of control subjects were also analyzed in the same way. At the moment an impartial observer could simply say that the 3:11 is an outlier due to LVM being a particularly fast course.
Why not pick several other competitors at LVM and do the same analysis looking at their recent 5k/5m/10k/HM/M race results? Select a few with ~ 3:11 finishes, others with times similar to the more realistic predicted finish time of MR (3:30-3:45). Then see how their LVM times/pace compare to their other recent results. That would enable easy course argument to be eliminated.
Apologies if someone's suggested something similar; given the size of the thread, bound to be some repetition. Good luck.
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With all the statistical projections, I wonder if anyone might care to speculate what fraction of the Boston Marathon field cheated to get there? Based on what I know about humanity-and given the current craze of narcissism-I'd venture to say it's easily 1%, and probably 2 or 3%.
If my assumption is correct, that means there were at least several hundred, and possibly 1000 Mike Rossi's toeing the line in Hopkinton this spring.
Thoughts?
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https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152846480882021&id=224394167020
Go there, like and comment to put pressure on the brojos!
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abingtonrunner2 wrote:
GregTR wrote:
Reference away. I still think it's an exercise in futility at this point but I'd love to be proven wrong.
I agree that it is a long shot. But as the great Gretsky once said, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. More importantly, there are power in #s and consumer pressure. The more people who take a few to send an email expressing their concern, displeasure, etc, even to a sponsor or so, goes a long way. It does not hurt to try, and it does not cost anything. If one has time to post and analyze here, one has time to send an email,
Since a few of his times are out of line with his past performances I definitely think there might be a couple other cheats in there. If we can prove he is a habitual cheater, like Kip, then that might definitely put more pressure on the RD to DQ him.
Another angle we might want to pursue is whether there are any other cheaters at Via on that day. All those runners, and getting away with it was so easy for Mike, that the probability that somebody else had the same idea is not far fetched. I know somebody looked at a f***load of photos and created a spread sheet.
Using that as a starting point, we should take a look at those runners who don't seem to have a lot of photos from the day. Pull up their Athlink times and see if Via is anybody else's PR. No pictures and a substantially faster time is exactly how we know that Rossi cheated.
And if it can be proven that there are multiple cheaters at this race that might make the RD reconsider her decision.
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The BAA should make the RD at any boston qualifier course undergo a WAIS-III test and require that the overall intelligence quotient score of the RD be at least 95. I suspect the RD at VIA is lacking in this department.
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Hi Tony...How's the weather in MO.? I need my AC fixed. Please help.
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Mike was nice enough to change his banner photo to his custom t-shirt design. Luckily the whole image is created with clip art, so he cannot copyright this design.
I'm going to make t-shirts and sell them at Via Marathon 2015. I will accept pre-orders starting next week. All proceeds will go towards the charity that both Mike Rossi and The Via Marathon have disgraced.
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