Maybe he was able to get through the Kip thread and realized the best strategy is to really lay low... he evaded the DQ but the dust has yet to settle. We will all forget eventually right?
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Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?
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Is it me, or does it seem like the people who are claiming we should "get a life" and "stop all this nonsense" are posting more than actual runners? If there truly is nothing to see here anymore why do these people keep hanging around posting?
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I like it in here, it's a good online place to be.
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Rossi the cheat wrote:
There's a lot of intriguing stuff above. To see whether Mikes performance in the LV race fits with the rest of his racing record, I looked at all of his races (except the 2013 R&R 1/2, and the 2014 T-Day 5k, both of which seem way out of line with his record). To get a sense of his overall performance, I looked at Pace by Distance. I expected that pace would go up with distance, but that there'd be some variation.
If you look at the list below, you'll see that is pretty much what happens. And if you do an "ocular" regression (ie, eyeball it), you'll in see that the relationship is pretty smooth -- there aren't a lot big jumps in pace as distance goes up. There is one exception -- the LV race. No matter how you define "big," LV is a big exception.
I have a real life, and I don't know much about marathons or hobby-joggers. So someone else is going to have to figure how "big" this exception is, and whether there could be an innocent explanation for it.
Distance is in miles. Pace is in minutes/mile.
Dist -- Pace
3.1 ---- 7.02
3.1 ---- 7:05
3.1 ---- 7:13
3.1 ---- 7:16
3.1 ---- 7:17
3.1 ---- 7:44
5.0 ---- 7:10
5.0 ---- 7:33
6.2 ---- 7:40
10 ----- 7:28
10 ----- 8:03
10 ----- 8:09
13.1 --- 7:41
13.1 --- 8:05
13.1 --- 8:10
13.1 --- 8:34
26.2 --- 7:19
26.2 --- 8:32
26.2 --- 9:14
26.2 --- 10:10
I got the data from Athlinks, and from the Boston Marathon website, and the report above in this tread about this year's Broad Street Race.
Cool story bro!
I posted this one on Page 23:
GregTR wrote:
While there seems to be less and less substance posted I went ahead and did some statistical analysis of Mike Rossi's Athlinks account:
Image:
http://i.imgur.com/yH19Agf.pngI have excluded the Via Marathon (red) and his bottom 3 races in terms of performance then looked at the averages of his races and their marathon equivalences. His average estimated marathon effort would be a 3:38:29 with a standard deviation of 7:47. What it means that running almost 27 minutes faster than the average performance is statistically inprobable. This includes his performances before and after the Via Marathon at any and all distances. For someone to go from and average 62.3% age graded performance to 70.2% overnight on a hot marathon day is nothing short of a miracle.
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Oh he's a cheating legend now, Hall of Famer for sure. Ain't nobody forgettin' nuffin here.
MRtruther wrote:
Maybe he was able to get through the Kip thread and realized the best strategy is to really lay low... he evaded the DQ but the dust has yet to settle. We will all forget eventually right?
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LoserMikeRossi wrote:
Is it me, or does it seem like the people who are claiming we should "get a life" and "stop all this nonsense" are posting more than actual runners? If there truly is nothing to see here anymore why do these people keep hanging around posting?
Good question. It is likely part of MR's social media minions and family, which only makes us (runners and those with integrity) more resolute in our quest for justice and fairness.
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GregTR wrote:
Rossi the cheat wrote:
There's a lot of intriguing stuff above. To see whether Mikes performance in the LV race fits with the rest of his racing record, I looked at all of his races (except the 2013 R&R 1/2, and the 2014 T-Day 5k, both of which seem way out of line with his record). To get a sense of his overall performance, I looked at Pace by Distance. I expected that pace would go up with distance, but that there'd be some variation.
If you look at the list below, you'll see that is pretty much what happens. And if you do an "ocular" regression (ie, eyeball it), you'll in see that the relationship is pretty smooth -- there aren't a lot big jumps in pace as distance goes up. There is one exception -- the LV race. No matter how you define "big," LV is a big exception.
I have a real life, and I don't know much about marathons or hobby-joggers. So someone else is going to have to figure how "big" this exception is, and whether there could be an innocent explanation for it.
Distance is in miles. Pace is in minutes/mile.
Dist -- Pace
3.1 ---- 7.02
3.1 ---- 7:05
3.1 ---- 7:13
3.1 ---- 7:16
3.1 ---- 7:17
3.1 ---- 7:44
5.0 ---- 7:10
5.0 ---- 7:33
6.2 ---- 7:40
10 ----- 7:28
10 ----- 8:03
10 ----- 8:09
13.1 --- 7:41
13.1 --- 8:05
13.1 --- 8:10
13.1 --- 8:34
26.2 --- 7:19
26.2 --- 8:32
26.2 --- 9:14
26.2 --- 10:10
I got the data from Athlinks, and from the Boston Marathon website, and the report above in this tread about this year's Broad Street Race.
Cool story bro!
I posted this one on Page 23:
GregTR wrote:
While there seems to be less and less substance posted I went ahead and did some statistical analysis of Mike Rossi's Athlinks account:
Image:
http://i.imgur.com/yH19Agf.pngI have excluded the Via Marathon (red) and his bottom 3 races in terms of performance then looked at the averages of his races and their marathon equivalences. His average estimated marathon effort would be a 3:38:29 with a standard deviation of 7:47. What it means that running almost 27 minutes faster than the average performance is statistically inprobable. This includes his performances before and after the Via Marathon at any and all distances. For someone to go from and average 62.3% age graded performance to 70.2% overnight on a hot marathon day is nothing short of a miracle.
GregTR - can we get that chart sorted by date order with the LVM invcluded in the sort but highlight in red or some other color?
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When I do an '"ocular" regression (ie, eyeball it),' this one looks very suspect "10 ----- 7:28", any split times or photos for it?
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Interesting. I think I would even question that 8:32 marathon pace. He's running half marathons between 8:05 and 8:34, and then runs a full marathon at 8:32?
Just like his Via time, not impossible, but highly improbable.
What race is that?
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LoserMikeRossi wrote:
Is it me, or does it seem like the people who are claiming we should "get a life" and "stop all this nonsense" are posting more than actual runners? If there truly is nothing to see here anymore why do these people keep hanging around posting?
I think those posts are coming from Mike or his friends. Seems to be generally two different tactics:
(1) try to make people feel bad for caring and posting - with the argument that by doing so they are actually the bad person; and
(2) the argument that he actually did run 3:11 - which is making use of the well known practice among politicians that if you write it a lie and repeat that lie often enough, some people will eventually believe that lie.
I don't see that either are or can work here. I think is because of what someone else wrote about how there is just something about cheating and cheaters that really works people up - offends their sense of justice - and when they try this weak crap, it just gets those same people even more worked up as it's so blatantly obvious he cheated.
I see the only real chance for him to get on with his life and leave this behind is to fess up, apologize and move on. Which is the smart choice. Alternatively he can move very far away and don't run in any events, but, seems like a lot of effort when you can just say sorry.
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Ocularised wrote:
When I do an '"ocular" regression (ie, eyeball it),' this one looks very suspect "10 ----- 7:28", any split times or photos for it?
It's pretty telling that the one result that sticks out as unusually fast for Mike Rossi (other than the LVM) is a 10 mile race in which his pace is still 9 seconds per mile SLOWER than he claims he maintained for 26.2 miles in order to get that 3:11.
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I think it's funny that this distance/pace list is already posted on the LVHN Facebook page. LMAO. How can they not be ashamed?
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The LVHN Marathon RD made her choice because:
1) She doesn't care
2) She doesn't know
3) Rossi's attorney
(pick one, but probably more than one).
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Nobody likes a cheater and particularly not one that makes you look like an incompetent boob. She has to care.
I believe that she is 100% certain that he cheated. She has to know. You would have to be an idiot that knows nothing about running to not know that he cheated.
I honestly don't think she understands how strong the case is and that it is an easy win for the marathon if they do get sued (which they would not). The funny thing is that they don't want to say he cheated but look at how many people are saying it on their own Facebook page. They aren't hiding behind anonymity or worrying about getting sued (which they won't either). They aren't saying "might have" or "allegedly," or "in my opinion." They are just flat out calling him a cheater in a public forum and he isn't going to do $hit about it.
So, I think she is afraid of a toothless dog.
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2015
Broadstreet 10 mile TIME ---1:20----hip injury
Boston Marathon TIME ----- 4:01
5 Mi
Frostbite5 Miler Ambler
7:33 /Mi TIME-------- 37:49
2014
26.2 Mi
Philadelphia Marathon
8:32 /Mi TIME------- 3:43:52
Rocky Balboa Run 5k/10k
7:40 /Mi TIME------47:40
Rock 'n' Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon & 5K
Philadelphia, PA, US Sep 20th
7:02 /Mi TIME-------- 21:52
Rock 'n' Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon & 5K
Philadelphia, PA, US Sep 20th
10:43 /Mi TIME---------2:20:27
Lehigh Valley HealthNetwork Via Marathon
Allentown, PA, US Sep 7th
7:19 /Mi TIME ???????????????? 3:11:45
3.1 Mi
Back on My Feet in24 Finale 5k
Philadelphia, PA, US Jul 20th
7:13 /Mi TIME------ 22:26
3.1 Mi
ChristmasIn July 5K
Philadelphia, PA, US Jul 9th
7:44 /Mi TIME----- 24:03
3.1 Mi
Gary Papa FathersDay 5K Run/Walk
Philadelphia, PA, US Jun 15th
7:16 /Mi TIME----- 22:36
13.1 Mi
ODDyssey Half Marathon
Philadelphia, PA, US Jun 8th
8:10 /Mi TIME------ 1:47:03
5 Mi
Upper Gwynedd 5 Miler
North Wales, PA, US May 18th
7:10 /Mi TIME----- 35:54
10 Mi
Blue CrossBroad Street Run
Philadelphia, PA, US May 4th
7:28 /Mi TIME---1:14:48
13.1 Mi
Bucks County Half Marathon
Newtown, PA, US Apr 13th
8:34 /Mi TIME----1:52:18
13.1 Mi
The Love Run
Philadelphia, PA, US Mar 30th
7:41 /Mi TIME---1:40:44
2013
3.1 Mi
Abington Gobble Wobble 5k
8:15 /Mi TIME----- 25:38
26.2 Mi
Philadelphia Marathon & Half Marathon, 8k
Philadelphia, PA, US Nov 17th
10:10 TIME---4:26:37
13.1 Mi
Rock n Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon
Philadelphia, PA, US Sep 15th
8:05 /Mi TIME--- 1:45:58
3.1 Mi
Christmas In July 5k
Philadelphia, PA, US Jul 24th
7:17 TIME---- 22:39
3.1 Mi
11th Annual Gary Papa Fathers Day 5K Run/Walk
Philadelphia, PA, US Jun 16th
7:05 /Mi TIME---- 22:01
10 Mi
Blue Cross Broad Street Run
Philadelphia, PA, US May 5th
8:09 /Mi TIME --- 1:21
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HeCheated wrote:
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Nobody likes a cheater and particularly not one that makes you look like an incompetent boob. She has to care.
I believe that she is 100% certain that he cheated. She has to know. You would have to be an idiot that knows nothing about running to not know that he cheated.
I honestly don't think she understands how strong the case is and that it is an easy win for the marathon if they do get sued (which they would not). The funny thing is that they don't want to say he cheated but look at how many people are saying it on their own Facebook page. They aren't hiding behind anonymity or worrying about getting sued (which they won't either). They aren't saying "might have" or "allegedly," or "in my opinion." They are just flat out calling him a cheater in a public forum and he isn't going to do $hit about it.
So, I think she is afraid of a toothless dog.
Technically, it was not the RD's decision. There was a Committee established and it was the Committee's decision, which is not to say that they didn't also bend over for his attorney the same way some here have.
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his best half marathon of 140:00
THIS IS THE MATH FOR HIS RACE TIMES OFF HIS BST HALF MARATHON
Distance
Time
Pace/Mi
1Mi
6:13.3
6:13
2Mi
13:13.1
6:36
5Km
21:36
6:57
10Km
44:51
7:13
1/2 Mar
1:40:00
7:38
Marathon ---------------------------------------------
3:30:27
8:02
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"Nothing Given, Always Earned"
so inspiring.
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Maybe the brojos will respond to posts on their Facebook page asking whatever happened to their promised article: https://www.facebook.com/pages/LetsRun/224394167020?fref=ts
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