Pre Classic 2019 (6/30) - official discussion thread

Souleiman has Jakob's number. Always edges him out.

every single time wrote:

Souleiman has Jakob's number. Always edges him out.

Oh? Just like last years Monaco?

Wuztheremyself wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop. Main takeaways:

) heard a guy boo Semenya, right around the finish. But only one.

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That guy in Sect. 2 Row 1 got a lot of jeers thrown at him by P.C. Know-nothings. Hell, even in Eugene Semanya is roundly applauded.

After the finish I muttered, “Another victory for the Y chromosome.” The quite obvious female supporter of women’s sports in front of me retorted, “That’s not true!” Another low-info member of the public who doesn’t know that Semanya is XY. Ironic that this ignorance will destroy the women’s sports she loves.

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you forgot one thing wrote:

every single time wrote:

Souleiman has Jakob's number. Always edges him out.

Oh? Just like last years Monaco?

Just like Stockholm this year. And Bislett this year. And Pre this year.

[quote]Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop.

You are either talking about a different meet or are not a fan of T & F.

Wuztheremyself wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop. Main takeaways:

) heard a guy boo Semenya, right around the finish. But only one.

* * * * *

That guy in Sect. 2 Row 1 got a lot of jeers thrown at him by P.C. Know-nothings. Hell, even in Eugene Semanya is roundly applauded.

After the finish I muttered, “Another victory for the Y chromosome.” The quite obvious female supporter of women’s sports in front of me retorted, “That’s not true!” Another low-info member of the public who doesn’t know that Semanya is XY. Ironic that this ignorance will destroy the women’s sports she loves.

On the broadcast, they quoted the IAAF position that Caster is XY DSD. I'm sure that 99% of viewers either missed it or didn't understand what it meant, but it was at least a verbalization of Caster being XY in public. Just nuts that most people think she is just a high-test female XX.

TAA wrote:

Sprintgeezer, thoughts on the 100?

Men: Gatlin. JFC did you see his second half? CC is supercharged, and Gatlin was right there, confident! He looked pretty happy with his race.

Lots of guys seemed to not travel too well, like Tortu and Rodgers. Palo Alto is far from Europe.

Hughes is quietly putting together a competent season, nice to see him competing consistently. Gillespie looked a bit shell-shocked, but he deserves a few shots. He really needs to deliver at nationals. Burrell just doesn’t have it this season (yet).

The story is Gatlin. Nice race, although there were some weaker spots. He has gained hip strength again and his balance is better. He will run a strong and steady race at nationals, and has to be a favorite for a podium finish, given his experience and big-meet success.

If this clocking is for real, Gatlin has to have edged up the ranking of all-time 100m greats, especially if he can win nats, or place at WC. The guy just knows how to put power to the track in the right way. He’s looking big to me, but not fat. He looks a lot better than he did just a month ago, so solid. Believe me there are plenty of younger guys using, and he’s still killing them.

This was a 9.86 basic from him, which takes him into 9.7x territory with a good legal wind. Can you imagine? OMG

SAFP: ridiculous.

Bowie: disorganized, needs to get it together. IMO won’t happen this season, she runs like she is not in a good environment, and is not focused on what she should be. I am not impressed.

Richardson, we will see at nats, which will be tight at the top.

Ta Lou was only competent, but never eased up. All told, a meh race, IDK why. I’m sure Gardner, Hobbs, etc gave it their all, but for whatever reason nothing peaked here. To be fair the top times were all credible, but nats aren’ too far off, people need to sharpen up.

Gatlin, Rodgers, Burrell, and Cissé flying to Lausanne right now, I guess they need to make some money.

every single time wrote:

you forgot one thing wrote:

Oh? Just like last years Monaco?

Just like Stockholm this year. And Bislett this year. And Pre this year.

Nobody has Jakob's number. Jakob is 18 and still nowhere near his peak. Souleiman is 26 (officially) and ran his pbs four years ago. He just pipped Jakob and as the previous poster said, Jakob already has a win over him.

Jakob is still improving a lot. This point last season his 1500 pb was 3:36 and his Mile 3:53. This season he's already solo ran a faster 1500 indoors (Stockholm was a slow race but he ran very well) and bettered his mile time by a second. In last year's Prefontaine Classic he ran a second slower and was over 3 seconds behind the winner Tim. This year he was not only a second faster, but within a second of the same winner Tim.

I predict sub 3:30 at Monaco and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he takes Gold in the 1500 in Doha. He's getting closer and closer to Tim and he's a better championship runner than him.

3/3 this season.

to rojo/wejo/gault/whoever was doing the interviews-

did you guys know going in that Coleman apparently hates you? That was pretty brutal to watch. Is it related to the articles about a possible rivalry between him and Lyles?

kmaclam wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop.

You are either talking about a different meet or are not a fan of T & F.

I'm "fan" enough to know 3:52 and 8:07 are not a big deal in the Diamond League, Gatlin is a notorious doper and the guy who beat him had already hit his stride in the NCAA, which still has a weak testing program. The women's 800 was an ongoing farce and the "fans" there didn't object. The big showdown in the m400 fizzled to a tired-looking 44 high.

The wsteeple was your run of the mill Chepkoech runaway, with the broadcasters very shamefully ignoring her and focusing on Coburn. The w3000 was the one breakout race justifying assembling all those big names, but I have no respect for NOP's obvious (though probably legal) weight-doping and it's time for WADA to step in, identify how they're doing it and ban it.

Coevett wrote:

Just woke up and watched the race on YouTube. My observations.

Brilliant runs from Jakob and Filip. Still has another 3 months to close that narrow gap with Tim, and of course Tokyo is when it counts, and Jakob for sure will be be a long way ahead of everyone by then (unless Max Burgin is focusing seriously on the 1500 next year).

Did Manangoi get injured mid-race again? Is he still going for the WR in Monaco? Maybe his mentor Kiprop will be able to give him a pep talk this week and he will be back to at least sub 3:30 in two weeks.

Why is it that Kejelcha can win world championships and break world records in the winter, then flop so badly every summer? Oh, I think I know.

Nick Willis - now the longest sub 4 minute year by year sequence in history?

Just curious.....Coevett do you follow any other sport besides track?

On the broadcast, they quoted the IAAF position that Caster is XY DSD. I'm sure that 99% of viewers either missed it or didn't understand what it meant,

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but it was at least a verbalization of Caster being XY in public. Just nuts that most people think she is just a high-test female XX.

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Bad Wigins wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

You are either talking about a different meet or are not a fan of T & F.

I'm "fan" enough to know 3:52 and 8:07 are not a big deal in the Diamond League, Gatlin is a notorious doper and the guy who beat him had already hit his stride in the NCAA, which still has a weak testing program. The women's 800 was an ongoing farce and the "fans" there didn't object. The big showdown in the m400 fizzled to a tired-looking 44 high.

The wsteeple was your run of the mill Chepkoech runaway, with the broadcasters very shamefully ignoring her and focusing on Coburn. The w3000 was the one breakout race justifying assembling all those big names, but I have no respect for NOP's obvious (though probably legal) weight-doping and it's time for WADA to step in, identify how they're doing it and ban it.

Sheesh. You must be fun at parties.

I have no respect for NOP's obvious (though probably legal) weight-doping and it's time for WADA to step in, identify how they're doing it and ban it.

NOP members have consistently been the leanest looking runners. Anyone care to chime in? Was at the meet and must say Fred Kerley was super lean as well. Not making any doping allegations.

kmaclam wrote:

[quote]Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop.

You are either talking about a different meet or are not a fan of T & F.

+1

Just another angry east coast dude.