Donavan Brazier comes from behind, crushes last lap (24.89) and sets American record - 1:44.20!!

This Trump is a bigger ahole than the real one.

600yd/600m man wrote:

U.S. runners feel the pressure to perform well from January through April. A need to make money for their handlers. I already knew Brazier was a good 800m runner. Brazier knows he's a good 800m runner. Peaking January through April during an Olympic year is a high risk. Does anyone remember Michael Norman peaking April, 2019? Posters then here on Letsrun were patting Norman's coach on the back, April, 2019. All the best runners 800m runners are not peaking like this at this time. What is the upside being an indoor hero?

How do you know he's peaking? It's not April, you know.

ex-runner wrote:

I just cannot see anyone outrunning Amos if he is in shape. Not Korir, not Brazier.

He is a tenacious runner. He scraps. He will hang on to any athlete until he has literally nothing left and then still kick.

If Amos is in shape then no athlete can beat him. Personally I think that Amos last year before his mid season injury could have beaten 2012 Rudisha...

There's no more fun sight in track than watching Amos drown over the last 50-100 metres.

ex-runner wrote:

colorunner123 wrote:

Question for the stats experts:

Brazier split 53.04 / 51.16.

Is that the fastest second 400m ever in an 800 meters?

No I'm sure Rudisha closed in 50 at Rio Olympics

52.5.

ex-runner wrote:

I just cannot see anyone outrunning Amos if he is in shape. Not Korir, not Brazier.

He is a tenacious runner. He scraps. He will hang on to any athlete until he has literally nothing left and then still kick.

He also loses big races all the time when he's in shape.

Why does every AR setter get people talking about WR's?

Brazier's outdoor AR was 1.2 second behind Kipketer. 1.43 behind Rudisha. The indoor one is 1.74 seconds behind. So he still very far away and didn't just get closer.

ex-runner wrote:

I just cannot see anyone outrunning Amos if he is in shape. Not Korir, not Brazier.

He is a tenacious runner. He scraps. He will hang on to any athlete until he has literally nothing left and then still kick.

If Amos is in shape then no athlete can beat him. Personally I think that Amos last year before his mid season injury could have beaten 2012 Rudisha...

Though I don’t agree that Amos will/can beat the former 2, I think you make a great point. Amos always gives 100%. He makes races exciting. Hopefully the top guns can stay healthy and put on a great show in Tokyo.

600yd/600m man wrote:

U.S. runners feel the pressure to perform well from January through April. A need to make money for their handlers. I already knew Brazier was a good 800m runner. Brazier knows he's a good 800m runner. Peaking January through April during an Olympic year is a high risk. Does anyone remember Michael Norman peaking April, 2019? Posters then here on Letsrun were patting Norman's coach on the back, April, 2019. All the best runners 800m runners are not peaking like this at this time. What is the upside being an indoor hero?

Should he twiddle his thumbs and not get better this winter? How do you not know he has planned downtime in the spring before the long summer? His coaches nailed it last summer with an AR and WC gold in his final race of the season....they know what they're doing keyboard man.

he’s old schoool wrote:

hatetosay wrote:

Which spikes was he wearing? The ones that will be banned after April 30?

Regular ol Victory Elite that everybody has been wearing for last few years.

And that new one isn’t banned either.

Enough with the shoes....

I will also add that Engels was interviewed on the nike spikes that have the plate or whatever and he specifically mentioned Brazier does not like the new spikes and wears the standard victory elite or whatever they are. He said something along the lines of Brazier saying they felt too aggressive I believe.

BRAZIER WILL BE THE NEXT 800M WORLD RECORD HOLDER!!

He’s got the tools to do it.... 48/50 2x400 with less than 60 second rest.

His indoor and outdoor ARs he’s running very in control. Excellent foot speed, mechanics, RELAXED. If he gets after it, goes wild and hard from the gun, we’ll see sub 1:40 MAGIC! He needs to pull an Amos. In fact him and Amos can be sub 1:40 in the same race!

JustRunBaby wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I just cannot see anyone outrunning Amos if he is in shape. Not Korir, not Brazier.

He is a tenacious runner. He scraps. He will hang on to any athlete until he has literally nothing left and then still kick.

He also loses big races all the time when he's in shape.

And gets injured

Ovett's second lap can't be measured precisely on the tape because the camera cuts away to a view where you can't see just where the runners are at the 400m mark. Leader to leader, the time is 50.95 by the time on the screen, and Ovett had apparently just fell back into sixth at the bell after being just in 4th a few seconds earlier, so he was clearly faster than 50.95, but exactly how much is impossible to say. It does not look to me like it is more than .2-.3 seconds.

Thread is not complete without noting the AR he broke...Johnny Gray's 1:45.0, which has stood for 28 years.

joel wrote:

Thread is not complete without noting the AR he broke...Johnny Gray's 1:45.0, which has stood for 28 years.

He broke Gray's record last year, he bettered his own record.

Keyboard.800.EXPERT wrote:

BRAZIER WILL BE THE NEXT 800M WORLD RECORD HOLDER!!

He’s got the tools to do it.... 48/50 2x400 with less than 60 second rest.

His indoor and outdoor ARs he’s running very in control. Excellent foot speed, mechanics, RELAXED. If he gets after it, goes wild and hard from the gun, we’ll see sub 1:40 MAGIC! He needs to pull an Amos. In fact him and Amos can be sub 1:40 in the same race!

I believe you are correct.

Most people here seem to be impressed with the 2nd lap splits.

However, almost every top 800 ever run (but not all) has POSITIVE splits not negative.

The fact that Brazier ran a second and a half negative split infers that if Brazier optimized his splits, this would have been even faster.

Especially true for speed oriented 800 runners.

Of course, Julien told Donovan to put himself in this position.

....Means the kid could already be pushing into the 141s

Saruni, Korir, Brazier and Amos all could be pushing the Rudisha WR this year.

Lurker wrote:

joel wrote:

Thread is not complete without noting the AR he broke...Johnny Gray's 1:45.0, which has stood for 28 years.

He broke Gray's record last year, he bettered his own record.

Was Gray running on a track that nice and fast?

Think that old 4 lane track in Sindelfingen Germany that Gray ran his record on was nice and fast.

Crazy to think that this meet has produced 1:44.21 (18) 1:43.98 (19) 1:44.22 (20) the past three years, ranking 4th, 2nd and 5th all time.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Ovett's second lap can't be measured precisely on the tape because the camera cuts away to a view where you can't see just where the runners are at the 400m mark. Leader to leader, the time is 50.95 by the time on the screen, and Ovett had apparently just fell back into sixth at the bell after being just in 4th a few seconds earlier, so he was clearly faster than 50.95, but exactly how much is impossible to say. It does not look to me like it is more than .2-.3 seconds.

Warren led at 400m, with the split shown as 54.55. That makes the 2nd lap split, leader to leader, 50.85, not 50.95, as Ovett finished in 1:45.40. When you last see Ovett from side on at 53.1 secs into the race, he is at least 2m behind Warren, which is equivalent to around 0.3 secs. That would put Ovett’s split at 54.85. Warren appears to put on a surge just before the bell, so i would be inclined to think Ovett’s 400 split was more likely 54.9. Yes, we can’t be precise to nearest 100th, but his 2nd lap was considerably faster than 50.9! The least it could have been was 50.6, but more likely 50.5.

JRinaldi wrote:

Think that old 4 lane track in Sindelfingen Germany that Gray ran his record on was nice and fast.

Crazy to think that this meet has produced 1:44.21 (18) 1:43.98 (19) 1:44.22 (20) the past three years, ranking 4th, 2nd and 5th all time.

I don’t think any indoor track in the 80’s or early 90’s were as fast as some of those they run on today. The difference of 0.8secs between Gray and Brazier comes down more to advances in track surfaces and spikes, than anything else.