TIM MF CHERUIYOT!!!

tea sipping goal scorer wrote:

Was he a rabbit that kept going?

He just kept close to the official rabbit and then acted when when he dropped off.

On an unrelated issue, Alex Morgan made fun of the Brits by 'sipping tea' after scoring a goal. She denied it though.

NativeSon wrote:

On an unrelated issue, Alex Morgan made fun of the Brits by 'sipping tea' after scoring a goal. She denied it though.

I see you're taking on El K's former role here.

zxzcvx wrote:

Tim was probably 2 seconds up on Jakob on the curve. He was in a different race. What occurred to me was that Tim had a health or injury setback earlier and got a bit of a late start into his sharpening, while Jakob was ill in May/June and so might still not be at his peak. Jakob also did ease up a bit at the end, costing him 3:29.

I think Tim might be running better because Manangoi is not around.

There's no doubt Jakob isn't at his peak. I think they want a little peak for Monaco but obviously their goal is Doha in 3 months.

It's just crazy that, save for a handful of people here, nobody seemed to understand that an 18 year old being in bed for several days with a heavy cold might just excuse a relatively disappointing performance at Bislett a week or so later.

As for Tim, and Manangoi if he is still a factor, who knows whether coach Ouma is having them peak for Doha? Maybe Tim running 3:26 or even breaking the WR in Monaco will bring in more money for them than a Gold in Doha, and maybe that is what is most important for them.

Nick Willis certainly seems to think that his clean WR is about to go -

A "clean world record" can only legitimately be beaten by a clean performance. So who is into time travel back into the distant past?

Coevett wrote:

Nick Willis certainly seems to think that his clean WR is about to go -

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/1147284301509222410

Tim has just run faster than that two days ago. Are you accusing Tim of doping?

Enjoy your potatoes.

Potato diet wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Nick Willis certainly seems to think that his clean WR is about to go -

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/1147284301509222410

Tim has just run faster than that two days ago. Are you accusing Tim of doping?

Enjoy your potatoes.

When he says “clean”, he just means “white guy”, or maybe “non-black guy”. Clean/dirty is his way of rationalizing his prejudice.

Ehso wrote:

When he says “clean”, he just means “white guy”, or maybe “non-black guy”. Clean/dirty is his way of rationalizing his prejudice.

No, I mean coming from a country that hasn't had bust after bust and that has decent testing standards.

Most of the list above Nick Willis are obvious EPO era dopers. I'd say that there is perhaps a 50/50 chance that somebody above Nick Willis did it clean, but the thing is, it's really hard to say who. Nick Willis is the 'clean WR holder' because he's the first name on the list we can be reasonably sure was clean. TBH, Kenya should have been suspended years ago, as should Morocco and Ethiopia. If a Russian was above Nick Willis, I would say he was likely as dirty as the Kenyans and Moroccans. Is Tim clean? I don't know, but realistically, given the situation in Kenya, more likely dirty than clean. You'd have to be dumb to have much faith in Kenyan performances now, or (as seems the majority on this board) say that everybody dopes so it doesn't matter than Kenyans doping has been proven to be rampant.

I like Tim, and honestly hope he's clean, and maybe Ouma is a great coach, but given the rampant doping and awful corruption in Kenyan athletics, and furthermore, given Manangoi's close links with Kiprop, it's hard to have any confidence.

Tim's not signed up for Monaco, unfortunately, which impacts how fast the field will go.

Which of these guys was not doping? I removed repeat performers.

All-time men's best 1500 m

+=intermediate time in 1 Mile race (official, unofficial or estimates)

1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998 * teammate busted in 2005

3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 * positive test in 2003 rescinded

5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015 * banned for doping 2018

10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995

13 3:27.64 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Monaco 18.07.2014

18 3:28.12 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2rA Zürich 11.08.2000

24 3:28.41 Timothy Cheruiyot KEN 20.11.95 1 Monaco 20.07.2018

30 3:28.75 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 2 Monaco 17.07.2015 * formerly in Aden's group

32 3:28.79 Abdelati Iguider MAR 25.03.87 3 Monaco 17.07.2015

33 3:28.80 Elijah Manangoi KEN 05.01.93 1 Monaco 21.07.2017

34 3:28.81 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 2 Monaco 19.07.2013 * mid to late career dominance

34 3:28.81 Ronald Kwemoi KEN 18.09.95 3 Monaco 18.07.2014

43 3:28.95 Fermin Cacho ESP 16.02.69 2rA Zürich 13.08.1997 * doping widespread in Spanish athletics

44 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003

45 3:29.02 Daniel Kipchirchir Komen KEN 27.11.84 1r2 Roma 14.07.2006

52 3:29.14 Rashid Ramzi BRN 17.07.80 2r2 Roma 14.07.2006 * medal stripped in 2008 for doping with CERA

53 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997

61 3:29.29 William Chirchir KEN 06.02.79 3 Bruxelles 24.08.2001

66 3:29.46 Saïd Aouita MAR 02.11.59 1r1 Berlin 23.08.1985 *recommended doping to Aussies as coach

66 3:29.46 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Monaco 16.08.1997

68 3:29.47 Augustine Choge KEN 21.01.87 1 Berlin 14.06.2009

69 3:29.50 Caleb Ndiku KEN 09.10.92 3 Monaco 19.07.2013

71 3:29.51 Ali Saïdi-Sief ALG 15.03.78 1 Lausanne 04.07.2001 * doping positive and ban

73 3:29.53 Amine Laâlou MAR 13.05.82 2 Monaco 22.07.2010

75 3:29.58 Ayanleh Souleiman DJI 03.12.92 4 Monaco 18.07.2014 *Drugs found with his coach/trainer at Sabadell hotel where he was staying

79 3:29.66 Nick Willis NZL 25.04.83 5 Monaco 17.07.2015 Never a whisper about doping

80 3:29.67 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Nice 16.07.1985 Same

91 3:29.77 Sydney Maree USA 09.09.56 1 Köln 25.08.1985

91 3:29.77 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 1 Rieti 07.09.1986 * toxic plasmosis often associated with blood doping

91 3:29.77 Nixon Chepseba KEN 12.12.90 2 Monaco 20.07.2012

99 3:29.91 Laban Rotich KEN 20.01.69 2rA Zürich 12.08.1998

99 3:29.91 Aman Wote ETH 18.04.84 6 Monaco 18.07.2014

108 3:30.01 Filip Ingebrigtsen NOR 20.04.93 3 Monaco 20.07.2018 * younger brother with same coach ran 3:30 at 18!

110 3:30.04 Timothy Kiptanui KEN 05.01.80 2 Saint-Denis 23.07.2004

113 3:30.07 Rui Silva POR 03.08.77 3 Monaco 19.07.2002

115 3:30.10 Robert Biwott KEN 28.01.96 7 Monaco 17.07.2015

121 3:30.16 Jakob Ingebrigtsen NOR 19.09.00 2 Lausanne 05.07.2019 * family does lactic acid testing during workouts

It was a couple weeks after the cold. He’s run a decent 1500m the week before.

The clean WR holder just ran 2:12 for the marathon at 44.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Tim's not signed up for Monaco, unfortunately, which impacts how fast the field will go.

Which of these guys was not doping? I removed repeat performers.

All-time men's best 1500 m

Tim not signed up for Monaco? Say it isn't so! He's still on the starting list according to the IAAF Monaco site. I'm sure he'll be there unless he's injured. If he misses Monaco to 'plant potatoes' then I don't think even El K would defend him.

I'm sure you're mistaken. If you've read that he's not going to be running in Monaco, the only explanation would be that he's injured himself in the last 4 days or he failed the post-race test and they haven't announced it yet.

As far as your list is concerned, as I said, Kenyans, Moroccans, Spanish, Algerians, Bernard Lagat, are all deeply suspicious, and if that makes me a 'racist', so be it. I agree with some of your asterixed comments, but not with the Seb Coe one (we've discussed that 1000 times) and I also don't see what the Ingebrigtsens performing 'lactate testing' during workouts has to do with doping. I also don't see what an 18 year old running 3:30 has to do with doping either, not if you accept the likes of Cram were likely clean. Jakob is looking increasingly like the greatest talent ever in the sport, but tbh, European runners should be going under 3:30 routinely now (30 years after Cram and Coe). The fact that they haven't is down to the decline in non-African running, which is down to many things (including the rise of African running). Jakob running 3:30 at 18, and perhaps sub 3:30 next weekend, is remarkable because 1 - he's a remarkable talent and 2 - European, American and Oceanic runners have gone backwards over the last 30 years.

121 3:30.16 Jakob Ingebrigtsen NOR 19.09.00 2 Lausanne 05.07.2019 * family does lactic acid testing during workouts

Are you serious??? A lot of athletes and coaches does it.

Coevett wrote:

Tim not signed up for Monaco? Say it isn't so! He's still on the starting list according to the IAAF Monaco site. I'm sure he'll be there unless he's injured. If he misses Monaco to 'plant potatoes' then I don't think even El K would defend him.

Lol ignorant Coevett.

Maybe he ran a good performance and now will peak for Doha?

Coevett wrote:

I'm sure you're mistaken. If you've read that he's not going to be running in Monaco, the only explanation would be that he's injured himself in the last 4 days or he failed the post-race test and they haven't announced it yet.

lolz in your wet dreams.

If he doesn't run Monaco it could be for a few other reasons. Like, see above, peaking for Doha.

Coevett wrote:

that makes me a 'racist', so be it. I agree

At last! :D

By the way, Farah is faster than Willis. What does that mean? If to you Farah is a doper, and if he is tested often in the UK, are you saying that British runners are protected dopers?

And what have you got against Vénuste Niyongabo, other than the fact that he is a black African?

Tim was not previously on the entry list, but now he is indeed.

Elijah Manangoi and Josh Kerr are no longer present on the list, and Charlie Da'vall Grice has been included too.

FYI;

https://monaco.diamondleague.com/en/programme-resultats-monaco-en/?eventId=139ed5ec-3e67-4eae-9be2-c610f6780637&eventStart=2019-07-12T20%3A35%3A00%2B02%3A00&tx_diamondrace_diamondleaguestatistics%5Baction%5D=showEntries&tx_diamondrace_diamondleaguestatistics%5Bcontroller%5D=DiamondLeagueStatistics&cHash=a8c4e1f71b285225d0751fae549cfaf6

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Which of these guys was not doping? I removed repeat performers.

Removing those from countries with extreme doping culture:

All-time men's best 1500 m

+=intermediate time in 1 Mile race (official, unofficial or estimates)

3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001 * positive test in 2003 rescinded - that was probably really a false result

34 3:28.81 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 2 Monaco 19.07.2013 * mid to late career dominance, likely doper, didn't open the door to the tester

44 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003

53 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997

75 3:29.58 Ayanleh Souleiman DJI 03.12.92 4 Monaco 18.07.2014 *Drugs found with his coach/trainer at Sabadell hotel where he was staying

79 3:29.66 Nick Willis NZL 25.04.83 5 Monaco 17.07.2015 *1500 PR at age 32, cheater in private life

80 3:29.67 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Nice 16.07.1985 *cold war doping era

91 3:29.77 Sydney Maree USA 09.09.56 1 Köln 25.08.1985 *cold war doping era

91 3:29.77 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 1 Rieti 07.09.1986 * toxic plasmosis often associated with blood doping, cold war doping era

108 3:30.01 Filip Ingebrigtsen NOR 20.04.93 3 Monaco 20.07.2018 * younger brother with same coach ran 3:30 at 18!, Henrik likely doping

113 3:30.07 Rui Silva POR 03.08.77 3 Monaco 19.07.2002

121 3:30.16 Jakob Ingebrigtsen NOR 19.09.00 2 Lausanne 05.07.2019 * family does lactic acid testing during workouts, Henrik likely doping

Or, tidied up even more to leave only people without extra reason for suspicion:

3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001

44 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003

53 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997

113 3:30.07 Rui Silva POR 03.08.77 3 Monaco 19.07.2002

And then one notices that these four all ran these times during the EPO era. A shame.

I'm sure you're mistaken. If you've read that he's not going to be running in Monaco, the only explanation would be that he's injured himself in the last 4 days or he failed the post-race test and they haven't announced it yet.

You've convinced yourself that Tim will be a non-factor in Doha so the *only* explanation is that he's injured (which you obviously don't believe) or that (surprise!) he's dirty. It's funny how you say you like Tim and hope he's clean but never miss a chance to indirectly suggest he's doping.

casual obsever wrote:

Or, tidied up even more to leave only people without extra reason for suspicion:

3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001

44 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003

53 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997

113 3:30.07 Rui Silva POR 03.08.77 3 Monaco 19.07.2002

And then one notices that these four all ran these times during the EPO era. A shame.

But what do you want them to do then? For runners who were in their 20s-30s then not to have competed?

Would you have doped if you were a 3:30 1500m runner in 2000?

seasoned ranker wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Strong as an ox. Sub-3:27 possible in Monaco.

I would say it will be tough without anyone to push him, but after seeing that race today, I don't know that he needs anyone to push him to a fast time.

The 149.4 was not that crazy.He'd still need to go through 800m in 1:50,4 to go sub 3:27 . I don't think he's ready

Farah ex coach bring investigated by WADA.

Missed a test

Association with Aden

Trained in Kenya the ducked to Ethiopia when blood testing become possible in Kenya