Laura MF Muir 3:55

Magness is tweeting that Muir sets herself apart bc she shows effort on last lap. He is saying she is likely clean bc she grimaces. What a joke. How ridiculously unscientific. Why doesnt he just say that he has applied his special Steve Magness scale to all runners and knows who is dirty and who is clean. I really hope none of his runners run smoothly in the last lap or he will have to kick them off the team

Algonquin wrote:

Magness is tweeting that Muir sets herself apart bc she shows effort on last lap. He is saying she is likely clean bc she grimaces. What a joke. How ridiculously unscientific. Why doesnt he just say that he has applied his special Steve Magness scale to all runners and knows who is dirty and who is clean. I really hope none of his runners run smoothly in the last lap or he will have to kick them off the team

Hey idiot,

He didn't mention one thing about being 'clean'.

He said:

"Wow! 3:55 for Laura Muir. One thing that sets Muir apart is you can see the effort, fatigue, and grit on her face the whole last lap."

Stop trying to cause controversy. And what he said is true. Watch Muir race, both here and at London. She is grimacing the entire last 400-600m. Name me someone else who shows that kind of expression for that long?

Does that mean she is clean or dirty? No.

kimani wrote:

Agip wrote:

Why the f did Muir not just time trial. 4 flat at the olympics? Drives me nuts.

Because Dibaba, Hasan, and Kipyegon would've outkicked her. And a slew of other women (e.g. both US runners) would have probably benefitted enough from the pro-bono rabbiting to drop her even farther down the list. She went out with the leaders at OG and look how that turned out--now imagine her not just going out with the leaders, but in the lead!

Going out with the leaders at a snails pace is different than being the leader at a pace only 3-4 people can do.

She wouldn't have had to kick much - there would have been just 3-4 people with her.

She should have time trailed a 4 flat.

She's been around at least 3 years now idk where this coming out of nowhere is unless you just started following track or something

Go back in your hole Sean Wade and John McKim

At least we know you all post on letsrun now as anonymous trolls.

See this tweet and then aforementioned post:

sub15@50 ‏@Seanpwade 35m35 minutes ago Houston, TX

@letsrundotcom @JohnPMcKim I Wonder if it passes the the Steve magness eye test. It's only clean he thinks she can run that

https://twitter.com/Seanpwade/status/769646647378743297

I posted this in another thread, but it may be more relevant here. There is a Scottish surge in athletics recently, which is ironic, given the complaints of (and reality of) the unavailability of funding for most athletes.

Everyone likes to ask why don't you think Jenny Simpsons doping if you suspect other people?

Simpson ran 3:59 in 2009 and has improved all of 2 seconds?

Muir dropping 5 seconds in two years when you are already running so fast?

It's not even that, it's the fact of just looking at statistics, 19 YEARS and only one person has run that fast, and that person (DIBABA) just had her coach's hotel raided for EPO.

The other facts that only people to have run faster were from DOPING era and known DOPING countries.

SCETCH!

Just to prove my point here! That we don't just think Africans Dope and all Westerners are clean, MUIR just by the facts laid out is highly suspect now.

Also to make another point you cannot compare Rowbury running 3:56.2, and say "oh it's only a second faster " because its totally different, she ran that when Dibaba ran 3:50 and Hassan was right in front of her and it was like a paced race for everyone behind Dibaba, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than winning in 3:55 when there is no one in front of you to chase.

SKCKCKCKEEEEtCHY Dog and Pony show is BS!

He obviously meant that her show of effort sets her apart from people he thinks are doping. He has called out Dibaba before for looking too relaxed to be believable.

Her expression doesnt mean anything. Lance Armstrong grimaced a lot. The joke is that Magness categorizes some people as clean and then takes everything they do as evidence they are clean. If Muir smiled and showed she wasnt working hard, he would have said that shows she is clean.

laura muir is chris O'hare!

woah wrote:

Is it me or does her form looks exactly like Chris O'hare !!??

I love the way Muir runs. She is not afraid to take the lead and pushes the pace. She is reckless. I love that.

Algonquin wrote:

He obviously meant that her show of effort sets her apart from people he thinks are doping. He has called out Dibaba before for looking too relaxed to be believable.

Her expression doesnt mean anything. Lance Armstrong grimaced a lot. The joke is that Magness categorizes some people as clean and then takes everything they do as evidence they are clean. If Muir smiled and showed she wasnt working hard, he would have said that shows she is clean.

Hey McWade,

If you actually followed Magness you'd know that in the Olympics and after London he tweeted about her guts and toughness. Seen in that light, this tweet makes sense as an extension of the same things he's tweeted before about her. She's tough.

But you go ahead and make your assumptions that a tweet about grit means drugs and not toughness.

Thanks for showing your stupidity McWade.

Come on if you're gonna make an allegation and call people out at least have the guts to use your real name. They obviously by their tweets aren't hiding behind an alias like you "hey idiot".

Caleb Beacham the eagle scout wrote:

Come on if you're gonna make an allegation and call people out at least have the guts to use your real name. They obviously by their tweets aren't hiding behind an alias like you "hey idiot".

Thanks McWade for outting yourself with specific information. Wrong person though.

calculo wrote:

she is capable on a temperate day with steady 63s pace to bell currently

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4 laps at that pace would be the women's mile WR.

I hope you are right but--based on following Magness--he tweets a lot about who is clean and who is dirty. So I think my interpretation is reasonable. Would love to be wrong bc I think Muir's performance and toughness should be celebrated.

Algonquin wrote:

I hope you are right but--based on following Magness--he tweets a lot about who is clean and who is dirty. So I think my interpretation is reasonable. Would love to be wrong bc I think Muir's performance and toughness should be celebrated.

While you guys were arguing, Magness had already answered the question on twitter by you know a person who asked:

Steve Magness ‏@stevemagness

Wow! 3:55 for Laura Muir. One thing that sets Muir apart is you can see the effort, fatigue, and grit on her face the whole last lap.

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Dany Racine ‏@RacineDany

@stevemagness but would the recent WR(s) really be better "accepted" had it been set with evident fatigue at the end? (1/2) Not so much.

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Steve Magness Verified account

‏@stevemagness

@RacineDany I don't mean it in terms of clean/doping. I just think Muir displays grit & pushes from far out off quick paces.See London DL

Yikes! They sure have gotten under your skin. Go for a run you'll feel better.

backtracking badly isn't he

I knew this would be an uphill battle...

No, I'm not asking for the best performances. You say yourself Rudisha's 800m had no effective drafting and the pace varied too much between 400m and 600m. i.e. the difference between what he did run and what he "could have run" that day is large.

I'm asking which races (you can remember) did create the ideal situations you're always posting about. What are the best performances from those situations? Then you post about Komen soling 13:00 two days after another huge performance. That's not what I'm asking about.

I get that you believe the WR are under performances. I'm asking for races that weren't under performances. Who has run as fast as they could have. Or, failing that, who has come the closest?

Farah's 1500m had you giddy. Is that the smallest percent difference between real and intrinsic performance? Teg's 2-Mile? Did Ngeny's time in the mile with a full draft and no traffic have a large gap between what did actually ran and could have run?

Again, I'm not trying to troll you, I'm asking