this guy wrote:
NOP Follower wrote:You never said it was a bummer, all you did was ask me a couple questions.
That's irrelevant. I never said it was a bad idea. (And I did say it was a bummer under a different name)
Ok, I was just saying it's not a bad idea, I don't care if you thought it was a 'bummer'. And in my first post, I was addressing everyone who thought it was a bad idea. I don't know why you responded...
Cain and Salazar web-cammin'?
Looky Here wrote:
http://www.runnersworld.com/high-school-profiles/mary-cain-will-not-run-cross-country?cm_mmc=Twitter-_-RunningTimes-_-Content-HighSchool-_-CainWontRunXCKind of a bummer for the sport, with Baxter running well again it could have been another good match up.
NXN is Nike Certified but not Cain-certified? These two are in bed with each other. Is this bliss on the rocks (or haystacks)? They need a marriage counselor.
Baxter would surely lose to Cain this year.
Everybody assumes that--if Cain were to race--it would be a 2 man race. Nothing could be further from the truth. While dominant, both Baxter and Cain are human and were not that far in front of other racers. While Cain is excellent at track obviously, cross country has many more variables such as weather, terrain, mud etc. Interestingly enough, few people talk about Ellis Cranny but she should not be overlooked. She has run 4:15 for 1500 m and destroyed a good cross country field in Colorado by over 2 minutes a couple of weeks ago.
Colorado 4A Region 3 Champ CO
... October 17, 2013 - Broomfield County Commons Park, Broomfield, CO
... results: CO MileSplit
Championships - Girls 4A Region #3
1 Elise Cranny Niwot 16:48.0 160.00 160
And of course there's also Alexa Efraimson + several other girls who have posted impressive results this year. NXN should be a very interesting race on the girls side.
KN wrote:
Everybody assumes that--if Cain were to race--it would be a 2 man race. Nothing could be further from the truth. While dominant, both Baxter and Cain are human and were not that far in front of other racers. While Cain is excellent at track obviously, cross country has many more variables such as weather, terrain, mud etc. Interestingly enough, few people talk about Ellis Cranny but she should not be overlooked. She has run 4:15 for 1500 m and destroyed a good cross country field in Colorado by over 2 minutes a couple of weeks ago.
If Cain & Salazar wanted to win NXN She could do it, even with weather, mud, and hills. Cain has not been training for XC and I don't think she should. Cain did have a long track season and needed some down time. I mean if you make it to the finals at WC what does HS title mean? Let's see what Cain can do indoors in 2014.
Davey Guy wrote:
KN wrote:Everybody assumes that--if Cain were to race--it would be a 2 man race. Nothing could be further from the truth. While dominant, both Baxter and Cain are human and were not that far in front of other racers. While Cain is excellent at track obviously, cross country has many more variables such as weather, terrain, mud etc. Interestingly enough, few people talk about Ellis Cranny but she should not be overlooked. She has run 4:15 for 1500 m and destroyed a good cross country field in Colorado by over 2 minutes a couple of weeks ago.
If Cain & Salazar wanted to win NXN She could do it, even with weather, mud, and hills. Cain has not been training for XC and I don't think she should. Cain did have a long track season and needed some down time. I mean if you make it to the finals at WC what does HS title mean? Let's see what Cain can do indoors in 2014.
There are no guarantees that Cain will see further accomplishments or even duplicate anything she's already done. A decade from now, we could be asking, whatever happened to her? If that were to indeed come to pass, Baxter>Cain.
NOP Follower wrote:
Message to all the people who think this is a bad idea: CAIN IS NO LONGER A HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE. When I say this, I mean that Cain no longer deals with high school competition. She is a World Championship finalist, and she would gain nothing from winning a HS national xc race. Salazar believes that changing her form will benefit her in the long term, so doing that will help her a lot more than an xc season. Mary Cain is a world class athlete, who is above high school xc.
A world class "track" athlete.
xc luvver wrote:
Cain and Salazar web-cammin'?
yeah they are scheming on the low...
beer can wrote:
There are no guarantees that Cain will see further accomplishments or even duplicate anything she's already done. A decade from now, we could be asking, whatever happened to her? If that were to indeed come to pass, Baxter>Cain.
Likewise, there are no guarantees that Baxter will duplicate what she has done in high school.
For all the Cain-critics, why weren't you criticizing Baxter for not racing Cain on the track?
kitty bar the door wrote:
Not sure why neither ran world xc last spring - afraid of the african competition? Except that Cain ran indoors, and fast. Given how relatively poor Baxter's track season was this year, (she is obviously a XC-type runner) that challenge (world XC) might have been beneficial.
Cain is learning how to race (track anyway) on the world stage, while Baxter is racing solo in HS meets. Boggles my mind. Is she saving herself for the NCAA? or trying to become amongst the best in the world? The two aren't mutually inclusive. Ask Sheila Reid, multi-time NCAA champ, how it feels to get her butt handed to her at Worlds - track anyway - and that is the reality. If US athletes want to keep up with the Africans, they have to look beyond the confines of the scholastic system (HS or NCAA) to find the competition, especially for the women. As well as Jenny Simpson is running (1500 is easier than the distances to do well at currently), there is a long way to go for 5k/10k to get to low-14's and sub-30. Undoubtedly Baxter is likely to be a marathoner in the long-term, but getting International experience when possible, especially when you can't find the competition locally, seems to make sense. It doesn't cost money to represent the US, other than getting to trials meets, and their is a Junior category - don't have to run Senior as Mary did in the summer.
You make a lot of good points. Sheila Reid still has time though.
Alberto did just fine stewarding Mary to the world's final. Time will tell us how she gets through this transition, it should be fun to watch.
She took her official visit at Oregon didn't she?
As much as I'd love to see her as a Duck (and she'd have a blast being a part of that team), I lean towards those that think she should go pro. Hang a Jaeger, go pro, and go to school on the slow plan.
I assume they are totally focusing on making the World Indoor Champs. But, if Salazar is changing her form, its quite possible we won't see her til outdoor track season cause they are obviously taking things real slow. I'm glad she's taking the season off. After going to finals of Worlds, Mary needs to rest and enjoy what she's done. She just ran the greatest HS track season of all time. As much as I would love to see her run XC, I also don't want her to burn out either. I think Salazar is making a wise decision.
You\'re kidding right? She\'s clearly not a world-class xc runner...But her 800/1500 times are remarkable. The closest thing i can compare this to would be Webb leaving college early to focus on his pro career on the TRACK. High school XC is as pointless to her as college xc was to Webb.
NOP Follower wrote:
Cain's thinking of World Championship medals
Is she? If so, Alberto must have her on the really good hydroponic stuff.
In what possible event? Are you even talking about track and field?
If you don't like Mary Cain then go back to Iran where Europeans originally migrated from after the Ice Age.
A Duck wrote:
As much as I'd love to see her as a Duck (and she'd have a blast being a part of that team), I lean towards those that think she should go pro. Hang a Jaeger, go pro, and go to school on the slow plan.
If Cain went pro before starting college, what Ivy would want her? I cannot recall a single graduate from Bronxville H.S. who was admitted to an Ivy without first being recruited. GPAs are inflated. Let's see the results of her SAT.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
In what possible event? Are you even talking about track and field?
In what event? Are you stupid? The event where she made the final this year...
Salazar does not seem to have any appreciation for cross country. Rupp has rarely run cross as a pro and I'm not sure whether he has ever run world xc. Cain should absolutely be running in what will go down in history as the best girls' field ever with Baxter, Efraimson, and Cranny. And Cain should run worlds when they decide to have it (the Europeans pouting that they always lose).
