Jakob’s indoor double last year gave me even more respect as now we see how hard it is to double win two hard finals back to back indoors. He even beat Houser who beat Hocker today.
wake up call for hocker and his awful tactics this almost makes me happy to see
He was in the right spot at 700m with Nuguse on his shoulder. I know they closed hard in the 3k yesterday but my expectation was that Hocker and Nuguse would push away from the field with a few 28s
Rojo once again u r overlooking who does not have the WCS.
Just rewatched the race a few times. Davis Bove, who later tripped (with around 300 to go), first lost his shoe, around (2:15 into the race with 600 to go), right when Nuguse took the lead. Hard to tell from the video what happened exactly, but one moment he has his right shoe and all of a sudden it's gone. It seems like you can see it left behind on the turn.
He continues to run the next 300 strong, following Houser closely in 2nd when Houser made his big move with 400 to go. Later he trips (potentially due to clipping from Nathan Green, eventual winner?).
Reminder - Bove came up with the huge assist at NB late January when a paced Kessler and Fisher in the 2000, leading them through 1600 in 3:53.
Just like Jakob, people assume that since he's the Olympic champion, he is great at the 1500
Yeah well the Olympic champion usually is great at his event, but sometimes Hicham would lose his main event. It happens, and doubling can make it more likely.
PS. YOu gotta feel for Ciattei. He beats both Hocker and Nuguse and still doesn't make a US team.
"Stuns the world" is also a hilarious statement in this context: 1) slow time, 2) domestic race, 3) Olympic gold and bronze medalists coming off a longer race the day before, 4) weak competition besides Hocker and Nuguse
Exactly. They were ripe for the pickin’. I like Green but I doubt he’ll make a dent at WCs. I hope he can prove me wrong. As for Cole, there are too many you guys who are good, and coming in tired against them being freah is not going to work.
Green has great heart. NCAA champ with some pretty amazing performances. I’m excited for him and all the other post-college kids hitting the track. This is how it’s supposed to be.
Big props to Nathan Green and Lindsey Butler. Dream it, achieve it.
Kara Goucher - "Cole is a great tactician." Does she watch him run? He has been lucky several times and often his talent just overcomes poor tactics. I just can't handle her.
Do you expect anyone's race tactics to work out 100% of the time?
His tactics failed him in the 1500 semis at Worlds last year. But otherwise they've been brilliant. He would not have Olympic gold, and many other of his major wins, if he hadn't been patient when anyone else would have panicked and gone for an outside pass. And he doesn't always stay glued to the rail (see World Champs 5k last year).
I think today he was just flat, like everyone else who raced the 3k yesterday (Nuguse, Mackay, etc.). It's indoor champs, Worlds isn't for another three weeks, so people are training through it to some extent and not able to bounce back as quickly.
Not exactly. Hocker doesn't win many 1,500m races at all. Jakob won pretty much everything except global finals.
Also, being "tired" from a relatively slow 3k the day before is no excuse. Remember when Jakob went 3:43/7:23 on consecutive days?
This is indoors. So let us not overreact here. Plus everyone “, even Rojo, knows Hocker is no Jakob. Hocker has a better kick than Jakob, but Hocker doesn’t have 12:35-12:40 in him, and we can be pretty certain Jakob once did, even if not now.
Kara Goucher - "Cole is a great tactician." Does she watch him run? He has been lucky several times and often his talent just overcomes poor tactics. I just can't handle her.
Yeah agree.
It's the next level of understanding that she doesn't quite seem to have. There is a difference between great tactics/tactical acumen and talent/fortune that bails you out more often than not. But let's not forget that this is the guy that got himself into such a jam in a world semi-final that he had to pull off a move that was the most blatant and easy DQ in recent memory - one so blatant he seemed to just instantly accept because even he in his heart of hearts knew.
Even his most famous victory - Paris '24, had a huge amount of fortune tied into it if we are really honest. If Kerr doesn't come up on Jakob precisely when he does and Jakob doesn't open the gate that had been closed literally seconds before, he probably has a bronze medal instead of a gold.
Yesterday if Nico Young doesn't have to cover 10-12 or so meters more in the final half of the race thanks to his stupid and unnecessary position in the opening half of the race (he was 14th at one point - why?) then Hocker getting shuffled back to 4th in a slow race with 600m to go should have killed him - but of course it didn't.
On the flip side he's seemingly gotten away with it so often that it made today so shocking. You're just waiting for those front 3-4 guys to cannibalize each other and give him yet another window to win, today it just didn't happen.
I think it's showing what a supreme talent he must be to overcome this bizarre tactic of leading, getting shuffled back and then finishing hard. God knows how good and dominant he would be if he ever figured that out.
Yesterday if Nico Young doesn't have to cover 10-12 or so meters more in the final half of the race thanks to his stupid and unnecessary position in the opening half of the race (he was 14th at one point - why?) then Hocker getting shuffled back to 4th in a slow race with 600m to go should have killed him - but of course it didn't.
Stitch, you know I usually love your stuff on here, on this take on Hocker, I cannot agree. First of all Nico Young does not get credit for a race he did not run(tactically) , altho you mention it 100% correctly, thats on him. Hocker had to go way into the well with that 2:21.x yesterday to expect too much today, on the turnaround, I think and I am wrong way more than enough. I could tell he was in trouble three different times, when you get shuffled back to 5th indoors, past half way, thats gonna be a rough ride in so to speak. Nuguse, was almost gonna give up, it looked like to me, but manned up to try and get there, also had nothing. A fresh guy with no trials or heats won, this did not surprise me as much as it seems to have others.
Wow, Nathan Green! I remember Rojo said he thought Green had a better chance of making the 2028 US Olympic team than Hobbs Kessler. Jonathan Gault mocked Rojo for that.
Rojo may or may not be proven right, but it's not a foregone conclusion one way or the other.
Slow but great race yesterday. Slow race today. I don’t think fatigue should have affected Hocker or Nuguse. Bad tactics on this one. But hey, can’t be perfect all the time.