agree about clayton. surprised by it too. his speech on the whole was kind and gracious (esp his mention of chelanga). panning mentioned in his post-race interview that those guys tried to help, but it didn't look that way. i mean i wasnt there but i did watch the race, and what i saw was a guy grinding it out for the majority of the race with those two basically coasting on his heels the whole while. they're obviously in great shape, couldn't they have helped share the lead? leading for that long in arguably the most important race of your life has got to be exhausting. no fan of the byu boys before and this certainly didn't endear them to me.
It made no sense for them to help push the pace if Panning was going to keep doing it. Only top 2 are guaranteed to go to the Olympics so their #1 goal was to be top 2. Why risk taking the lead and then blowing up and missing out on top 2 (or even worse, top 3)? Mantz himself said that he wasn't feeling great the last two miles. I picked Panning to finish third in the prediction contest so I was rooting for him but clearly he pushed a bit too much.
Exactly and typical road racing edicate tends to be a leader gesturing to others behind them that they want someone else to come up to take on the burden. Panning was complete tunnel vision the whole time. I'm sure that Mantz and Young would've gladly accepted the invitation if he motioned to them.
Yeah Korir is definitely a hero here. Panning ran a courageous race, props to him, but made a misjudgment that may have cost him a spot on the Olympic team. His move might have worked if it hadn’t been hot, but fading at the end there was predictable given the temps and how much leading he did at an aggressive pace early on.
Korir ran smart, kept himself within contention, and then dug deep to run the hell out of that last mile after deciding he wasn’t gonna let himself get 4th again. Gotta respect that.
All that said, looking forward to what Panning can do in the future, he clearly showed a lot of talent and guts in this race.
Korir was not a hero; he wisely picked up the pieces of ruin of a brave man who was trying to win.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat
Yeah Korir is definitely a hero here. Panning ran a courageous race, props to him, but made a misjudgment that may have cost him a spot on the Olympic team. His move might have worked if it hadn’t been hot, but fading at the end there was predictable given the temps and how much leading he did at an aggressive pace early on.
Korir ran smart, kept himself within contention, and then dug deep to run the hell out of that last mile after deciding he wasn’t gonna let himself get 4th again. Gotta respect that.
All that said, looking forward to what Panning can do in the future, he clearly showed a lot of talent and guts in this race.
Korir was not a hero; he wisely picked up the pieces of ruin of a brave man who was trying to win.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat
THE MAN IN THE ARENA Theodore Roosevelt 4/23/1910
There are 3 winners in an Olympic Trials race and Korir heroically searched within himself to become one in the dying embers of the race after heading the wrong direction.
As someone who was rooting for Panning to make the team, I would have liked to see him step off the gas a bit around ~20 miles when people were falling off - at that point it was clear he didn’t need to run 4:50’s anymore and that they could ease off and still get it done.
I’m not sure it would have made the difference though. He ended up a minute back from 3rd which is a lot of time so hard to say how much he closes that by evening out the pace more over the final 10 miles.
Looked like he was going for the Olympic Standard so 3 could go to the Olympics. prolly figured what is point of getting 3rd without standard and still not going to Olympics.
Looked like he was going for the Olympic Standard so 3 could go to the Olympics. prolly figured what is point of getting 3rd without standard and still not going to Olympics.
The only one in the field that was willing to try to take the bull by the horns and get 3 guys in was Panning. Army guys claimed they were going after 2:08 but didn’t have the “courage under fire” to do it. Fauble talked about it but pissed down his leg when the gun went off. CJ claimed he was going to do it but that was just for social media hits.
Korir was not a hero; he wisely picked up the pieces of ruin of a brave man who was trying to win.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat
Looked like he was going for the Olympic Standard so 3 could go to the Olympics. prolly figured what is point of getting 3rd without standard and still not going to Olympics.
Right. With a 3-man pack, there was no incentive for the other 2 to push the pace. The only way for Zach to get to the olympics was to do his best to hit the time. He took his swing, and gave it his best shot.
Korir was not a hero; he wisely picked up the pieces of ruin of a brave man who was trying to win.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat
THE MAN IN THE ARENA Theodore Roosevelt 4/23/1910
There are 3 winners in an Olympic Trials race and Korir heroically searched within himself to become one in the dying embers of the race after heading the wrong direction.
Korir didn’t act heroically; he didn’t stand a chance of making this team from his own efforts, he wasn’t up front driving the pace, no running into any burning building type efforts to save the day, he was an opportunist (rightly so, but never heroic.
He picked off Panning as Panning tired, trying desperately to finish the race upright, after towing the race and the entirety of the field for the majority of the distance at a pace (Olympic standard) that was overly ambitious for that day.
There are 3 winners in an Olympic Trials race and Korir heroically searched within himself to become one in the dying embers of the race after heading the wrong direction.
Korir didn’t act heroically; he didn’t stand a chance of making this team from his own efforts, he wasn’t up front driving the pace, no running into any burning building type efforts to save the day, he was an opportunist (rightly so, but never heroic.
He picked off Panning as Panning tired, trying desperately to finish the race upright, after towing the race and the entirety of the field for the majority of the distance at a pace (Olympic standard) that was overly ambitious for that day.
He literally did make the team on his own efforts.
If you don’t understand the heroism in looking within yourself to perfectly meter your effort to have a chance at 3rd and execute on that chance the final mile then that’s on you.
Looked like he was going for the Olympic Standard so 3 could go to the Olympics. prolly figured what is point of getting 3rd without standard and still not going to Olympics.
If so that seems like a poor strategy. It is very unlikely the US doesn’t get a 3rd spot
Looked like he was going for the Olympic Standard so 3 could go to the Olympics. prolly figured what is point of getting 3rd without standard and still not going to Olympics.
If so that seems like a poor strategy. It is very unlikely the US doesn’t get a 3rd spot
What would be worse?
Getting 3rd but not going after the standard.
Going after it early, but falling to and finishing in 6th.
At least in the second scenario, you know you laid it all out there. The first is completely out of your control.
Why is Lenord Korir is not a National Hero. 37 years old and just missed the last Olympics with a 4th place. He hangs in there and comes from behind to get third. Plus with a 2:07 PR a very legitimate Olympian, 2nd fastest runner on the team.
If so that seems like a poor strategy. It is very unlikely the US doesn’t get a 3rd spot
What would be worse?
Getting 3rd but not going after the standard.
Going after it early, but falling to and finishing in 6th.
At least in the second scenario, you know you laid it all out there. The first is completely out of your control.
If Panning got 3rd he was extremely likely to qualify via world ranking. He would be in control because he was 3rd and could run another race to improve his world rank further.
It was impossible for him to solo run a 2:07 in 70 degree temps. Trying to do that would ruin his chances at top 3. Now he has no control.
Going after it early, but falling to and finishing in 6th.
At least in the second scenario, you know you laid it all out there. The first is completely out of your control.
If Panning got 3rd he was extremely likely to qualify via world ranking. He would be in control because he was 3rd and could run another race to improve his world rank further.
It was impossible for him to solo run a 2:07 in 70 degree temps. Trying to do that would ruin his chances at top 3. Now he has no control.
IF he got 3rd in 2:10:22 or 2:09:59 or 2:17:34, it's still IF. If you were 3rd and by some chance, it wasn't enough, how would you live with yourself?
If Panning got 3rd he was extremely likely to qualify via world ranking. He would be in control because he was 3rd and could run another race to improve his world rank further.
It was impossible for him to solo run a 2:07 in 70 degree temps. Trying to do that would ruin his chances at top 3. Now he has no control.
IF he got 3rd in 2:10:22 or 2:09:59 or 2:17:34, it's still IF. If you were 3rd and by some chance, it wasn't enough, how would you live with yourself?
He would live with himself the same way he is today with his 6th place with no chance of getting in.
If he's not in the top 3 then there's zero percent chance of making it. First objective is placing in the top 3.
He had the 3rd highest world ranking in the race behind Mantz and Young. He would have a 99% chance at getting into the Olympics based on his world ranking.
Going after it early, but falling to and finishing in 6th.
At least in the second scenario, you know you laid it all out there. The first is completely out of your control.
the second case is much worse. You aren’t going to the Olympics. In the first you have a chance and can always run a fast half to get more points.
And if you are going for the standard, what’s the point of falling so far behind pace by running the first 5 miles so slowly?
Maybe if the odds were 50/50. They aren’t though - it’s very, very likely we send 3. Based on what I’ve seen I’d probably still put money on it at 20:1 odds.
Someone was showing me over the weekend and you know which American is right near the cutoff right near? Tyler Pennel, someone we weren’t even talking about leading up to the Trials. We’re definitely getting 3.
