New Women's American Record in the Mile

This is the right take. Hiltz ran an amazing race and is the fastest ever American in the Women’s Mile, thus making the records theirs as they qualify for this category.

That being said, I hope Hiltz promotes it as the “Women’s” American record and not just running the american record.

Cranny should have dove.

That would be hard because we use pronouns in English to avoid the awkward construction of sentences that repeat the same noun over and over again:

Nikki set a new American record when Nikki used Nikki’s strong kick to thrust Nikki over the finish line.

compared with:

Nikki set a new American record when they used their strong kick to thrust themself over the finish line.

Is is hard. The announcers are acting in real time and are excited. Hiltz is in the women's race. Women are referred to as she and her. Nobody cares about her sexual preference or what she feels like. She may feel like a child today and an old person tomorrow. She may feel like a man today and a woman tomorrow. But while running in a race set aside for women, she has to be a woman. The anouncers are not referring to her sexuality or her feelings. They are merel describig a race somprised of all females. Females are referred to as "she".

That really wouldn't be too hard. It's like Bob Dole talking in the 3rd person all the time.

You are trolling. You are trying to spread hate by presuming you know how they feel about an American record. Frankly, it’s none of your business. Carry on with your life and don’t worry about whether Hiltz feels one way or another about it. You could not help yourself to come on to the boards and find some way to mock not just Hiltz’s fantastic run, but their identity as well.

Do us all a favor and shut your mouth and go back to watching Sound of Freedom with a box of kleenex and some hand lotion for the 19th time.

Exactly. I imagine Nikki feels the same as any female race they enter. The people bringing this up today are ‘just asking questions’ now only because they’re unhappy Nikki got the record. Those people are not confused or curious; they are unhappy about the result even though Nikki is competing exactly as the rules require.

Not in the mile, that's Alan Webb.

Nikki is the holds the American Women's mile record.

Id doubt she even holds the non-binary record, there's got to be some born male non-binary faster than Nikki.

Congrats to Hiltz. As far as how they feels about the record, I’d bet they is elated. Heck of an accomplishment.

Hiltz is not a DSD woman. "Non-binary" and DSD are not the same. Most DSD women identify as women and would like to compete in the women's category. Currently, the vast majority of XY DSD women, at the very least, don't qualify to compete in the category they identify with because of the rules that were announced this past season. I only brought up "DSD women" as an example of a group of people who, in my opinion (my OPINION only), don't fit well into either of the two categories. People who identify as non-binary are a different group of people, and they also don't fit well into either of the two categories (by their own admission). These are two examples of why the current binary--men's and women's--doesn't reflect the reality of some people's gender or (again, only in my personal opinion) sex.

Regardless, the records are records for the existing two categories. How Hiltz identifies is irrelevant to whether they broke the women's American record, because the record belongs to the category of race they were competing in. Hiltz is qualified to compete in the women's category, did in fact compete in that category, and broke the record of that category.

Please learn the difference between gender identify and sexual preference. You’re correct that no one should care about Nikki’s sexuality because that has nothing to do with the competition or this thread. You don’t need to make up fake scenarios like people feeling one age or another as a straw man argument. Gender identity is real and people should try their best to respect others’ pronouns. It’s okay to make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment. Nikki, and many other trans folks, have only ever asked that people make their best effort and try to learn from their mistakes to do better next time. Announcers are grown adults who can learn and adapt their language, especially when referring to a competitor on the international stage.

HERESY!!

So why didn't she race the open mile? Why is she electing to only run the female mile? When was the last time she ran a race open to all = me for instance.

No one is objecting to Miss Hiltz running the open mile.

Since Nikki Hilz was a female--and a cis she--when born and is thus still a female, I'm fine with Hilz getting this women's AR. I do think there's something strange, though, about a birth female earning a women's AR but getting annoyed when people call them her, as most people hearing about a new women's American record quite naturally would.

This isn't a transwoman issue. This is a non-binary gender identification issue. In the great majority of contexts involving people who ID as non-binary, the they/them thing is no big deal, or shouldn't be a big deal. This is one of the handful of contexts where it becomes a bigger deal, because any reasonable person, or at least one who hasn't yet been to a reeducation camp, quite naturally cheers for the woman who got the record--and assumes that that person, who IS a woman, thinks of herself as a woman. Certainly transwoman (birth males) who set women's records want us to think of them as women and they most definitely want us to use she/her pronouns.

You do understand, ye who read these words as your hand pushes through the Matrix jelly and your head explodes, that the logic here is twisted, and quite deliberately. The explicit intention of contemporary gender ideology is, as its proponents are fond of saying, to queer the binaries: to put all our enduring understandings of the categories male and female, man and woman, into a blender and press "whip." I'm not slurring gender ideology; I'm describing it accurately. I'm not particularly a fan of James Lindsay these days, although I love the book he wrote with Helen Pluckrose. But he does a good job of defining "queer":

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Queer (v.)

James Lindsay

This entry in 'Translations from the Wokish' is an explanation of the term 'Queer (v.).'

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The word queer used to be a slur, of course, but it's been....queered. So now, in the circles who use it, it's a core value, a key critical practice. And if it confuses us.....

....if you, normie, say to yourself, Nikki Hilz was born female, IS a woman, has just earned herself a women's record in the mile, but doesn't want to be called she or her, while Lia Thomas, who was born male, ISN'T a woman (but identifies as a trans woman), has also set a women's record or two, and DOES want to be called she and her....

If you say, "This is confusing," you're correct.