Do you remember when we thought NOP"s success was due to all the best science?
But actually, it was. "Doping" was never actually discovered at NOP and all the million gray area things they did do work and are now part of everyone else's protocol.
Galen, for example, was like the Soviet Boxer from Rocky IV, he was built out of a systemic and scientific set of incremental improvements, improvements a lot of us didn't have access to or like (e.g. TUEs, thyroid meds, inhalers, altitude houses, underwater treadmills, etc). But that is not the same as just getting jacked on EPO, which NOP never did.
I think Norway is just running a similar version of the NOP science project.
He is 24 but I believe Coevetts argument still holds. Narve was a halfmarathon/10k runner and has now moved down due to Gjert Ingebrigtsens believing him to have potential at this distance.. And now Gjert has more time to "only" focus on Narve since he is not coaching his own kids anymore.
that might work for going from 3:42 to 3:35. But reaching 3:29 from 3:36 after only one year of focus on the 1500 seems too good to be true.
He is 24 but I believe Coevetts argument still holds. Narve was a halfmarathon/10k runner and has now moved down due to Gjert Ingebrigtsens believing him to have potential at this distance.. And now Gjert has more time to "only" focus on Narve since he is not coaching his own kids anymore.
that might work for going from 3:42 to 3:35. But reaching 3:29 from 3:36 after only one year of focus on the 1500 seems too good to be true.
would it feel better to you if he had run one or two more 1500s and hit 3:32/3:33 last year?
Narve was NOT a 10000m / half marathon runner… (You can call him a 800m runner -1.58 at 16 years old -using the same logic…)
Narve was and is a 1500 / 3000 / 5000m runner who now priorities the 1500… He has in between his main events done some experiments some years ago (on hobby jogger level) with the half marathon (1.08 -1.09 -1.04.57) and a year or two more seriously on the 10000m (but no sub 28). When Gjert refers to Narve as coming down from 10000m / half marathon he clearly means down from a mindset -that he thought he had to go in that direction (due to lack in talent for 1500/3000/5000m).- Not describing his training or overall priorities…
Narve broke through as an athlete in mars 2021 in the 3000m (fifth in the European indoor championships), and then 13.15 in the 5000m -no half marathon or 10000m worth mentioning at all…! (But 3.39 -2020 and 3.36 -2022 in the 1500m).
Fun fact: Narve has called himself “totally without talent”, but now he talks about beating Jakob in the 1500m!
The rest of your post I do agree in..
Sorry but this is incorrect.
Narve has trained for 5 and 10 000m. Other races has proven him to be a better runner for shorter distances, and in the last two years they have chanced his training to fit 1500m. Gjert does not refer to his mindset, but his focus in competition and in workouts. If you had known the details of the training you too would see there is quite a few differences due to this change of preferred distance.
Narve always calls himself a talentless runner, but everyone just laughs, he clearly have (and its been visible for years) a huge talent.
Come on -you are constructing a disagreement that doesn’t exists -of course Narve has trained for 5 and 10000m (especially the period he went for the 10000m). And of course his current training is transformed in the way Gjert and Narve suggest! But Narve has all the way mastered the shorter distances better -his indoor 3 k isn’t even a random example…
My point is this: Narve is not a half marathoner / 10k runner who suddenly stepped down. And I’m not really sure he will not run an excellent 3/5k with his current down stepped training….
Regarding “talent” -Narve / Jakob / Henrik all are saying the same: Consistent training is the way most important. Maybe the ability to that is an athlete’s greatest talent..!
its "i couldn't care less", you big dumb idiot. What, did you just blow in from stupid town? Whatre you gonna say next "with all intensive purposes" or "take it for granite".
I don't think we should accuse anyone until we have proof.
The proof is that doping is right through the sport. Clean athletes won't beat the best dopers.
So, according to your "logic" it's impossible that a clean athlete wins an important event.
So why do you take part of any thread about some good performance and claim to know the athlete is a doper. You just could start one thread: any winner is a doper.
In my opinion, this could have been a 1500m final in world championship! Narves progression is very impressive, going from 3.36 down to 3.29 in a couple of weeks! If he runs Monaco Diamond leauge 1500m, 3.28 is for sure in range! Jakob Ingebrigtsen will be a future WR in: 3000m, 5000m and 5k road. 1500m? Hard to tell. 3.26.00 is fast. Very fast. But you'll never know with Jakob :)
Do you remember when we thought NOP"s success was due to all the best science?
But actually, it was. "Doping" was never actually discovered at NOP and all the million gray area things they did do work and are now part of everyone else's protocol.
Galen, for example, was like the Soviet Boxer from Rocky IV, he was built out of a systemic and scientific set of incremental improvements, improvements a lot of us didn't have access to or like (e.g. TUEs, thyroid meds, inhalers, altitude houses, underwater treadmills, etc). But that is not the same as just getting jacked on EPO, which NOP never did.
I think Norway is just running a similar version of the NOP science project.
Hmm even better than Katir. Will rojo and posters here accuse him of taking EPO? 🧐
He was literally a 5000/10000m runner until this season. It surprises you that the most successful 1500m coach in the world can take a 13:15 22 year old 5000 runner and turn him into a world class 1500m runner? Also, he likely wouldn't have been in this race - the fastest in Europe for years - to be pulled round to sub 3:30 if he wasn't Norwegian.
Come on Coevett -you are a little too clever here. Because a lot of what you mention in this post is correct (minus for saying Narve literally was a 5000/10000m runner until this season: His 2022 pb in the 1500m is better than his 10000m, and his best international race was in a 3000m). But all this listing of facts doesn’t hide that the similarities with Katir are striking…!
You do often dear fronting somewhat unpopular opinions, and that’s a kind of honesty. Why not here too - admit that the only reason you call Katir a doper is that he is from Spain, and with a Moroccan background, and that you are clean washing Nordås as a Norwegian..! Then we can have an honest argument from there…
The proof is that doping is right through the sport. Clean athletes won't beat the best dopers.
So, according to your "logic" it's impossible that a clean athlete wins an important event.
So why do you take part of any thread about some good performance and claim to know the athlete is a doper. You just could start one thread: any winner is a doper.
You're starting to catch on. WADA puts T and F in the same doping risk category as bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling. Tell me why you think those on the podium in those sports will be clean.
He is 24 but I believe Coevetts argument still holds. Narve was a halfmarathon/10k runner and has now moved down due to Gjert Ingebrigtsens believing him to have potential at this distance.. And now Gjert has more time to "only" focus on Narve since he is not coaching his own kids anymore.
that might work for going from 3:42 to 3:35. But reaching 3:29 from 3:36 after only one year of focus on the 1500 seems too good to be true.
There is no level of improvement that fans will not defend as clean. He could have run 3.27 after a year and they would still be putting it down to "training" and "motivation" - things that other athletes don't have.
He was literally a 5000/10000m runner until this season. It surprises you that the most successful 1500m coach in the world can take a 13:15 22 year old 5000 runner and turn him into a world class 1500m runner? Also, he likely wouldn't have been in this race - the fastest in Europe for years - to be pulled round to sub 3:30 if he wasn't Norwegian.
Come on Coevett -you are a little too clever here. Because a lot of what you mention in this post is correct (minus for saying Narve literally was a 5000/10000m runner until this season: His 2022 pb in the 1500m is better than his 10000m, and his best international race was in a 3000m). But all this listing of facts doesn’t hide that the similarities with Katir are striking…!
You do often dear fronting somewhat unpopular opinions, and that’s a kind of honesty. Why not here too - admit that the only reason you call Katir a doper is that he is from Spain, and with a Moroccan background, and that you are clean washing Nordås as a Norwegian..! Then we can have an honest argument from there…
It doesn't matter that his 1500m pb was better than his 5000m pb last season. Maybe that's why he decided to move down from the 5000m? This thread is accusing him of doping because he didn't run fast enough for you last season (in two races in which he won easily), and now you're saying he's doping because he ran too fast last season.
There are MULTIPLE red flags for Katir, which I've gone through again and again (and some of the threads deleted by the mods). The fact that Garcia is running at Katir levels and has the same coach is yet another red flag.
Come on Coevett -you are a little too clever here. Because a lot of what you mention in this post is correct (minus for saying Narve literally was a 5000/10000m runner until this season: His 2022 pb in the 1500m is better than his 10000m, and his best international race was in a 3000m). But all this listing of facts doesn’t hide that the similarities with Katir are striking…!
You do often dear fronting somewhat unpopular opinions, and that’s a kind of honesty. Why not here too - admit that the only reason you call Katir a doper is that he is from Spain, and with a Moroccan background, and that you are clean washing Nordås as a Norwegian..! Then we can have an honest argument from there…
It doesn't matter that his 1500m pb was better than his 5000m pb last season. Maybe that's why he decided to move down from the 5000m? This thread is accusing him of doping because he didn't run fast enough for you last season (in two races in which he won easily), and now you're saying he's doping because he ran too fast last season.
There are MULTIPLE red flags for Katir, which I've gone through again and again (and some of the threads deleted by the mods). The fact that Garcia is running at Katir levels and has the same coach is yet another red flag.
I’m European and Katir has ZERO red flags for me. He’s been excellent as a junior now a senior.
He was literally a 5000/10000m runner until this season. It surprises you that the most successful 1500m coach in the world can take a 13:15 22 year old 5000 runner and turn him into a world class 1500m runner? Also, he likely wouldn't have been in this race - the fastest in Europe for years - to be pulled round to sub 3:30 if he wasn't Norwegian.
Come on Coevett -you are a little too clever here. Because a lot of what you mention in this post is correct (minus for saying Narve literally was a 5000/10000m runner until this season: His 2022 pb in the 1500m is better than his 10000m, and his best international race was in a 3000m). But all this listing of facts doesn’t hide that the similarities with Katir are striking…!
Whatever your disput with this Coevett, who ows me an apology BTW. Narve was most of all and first and foremost a 5000 kid.. And for some reason he performed best at 3000. But last year his potential at 1500 was much better than 3:36.23. Whether or not one finds similarties with Katir or not should be irrelevant, though I see your point in the discussion with Coevett. And by all means McSweyn dropped 10 sec from 2017 to 2019. We could go on.
Give me a break. This was ALSO a guilty by association. The implications of his statement is obvious. Because first you have to prove that what you write is right. So by all means a false analogy fallacy.
“Anyone faster than me are cheating” or “I’m bored and will troll online to feel important”.
During the instant reaction show Friday some twat started spreading rumors that JI has a swaztika tattoo on his leg. Blatant and stupid lie on par with “sports science equals DDR state run programme”.
I will categorically deny any organized illegal medical practice in Norwegian sports. Any cheating, and there probably is cheating, is done by individuals. But no systematic doping in groups.
As late as last year Narve was working part time on a farm, doing an engineering degree and training to qualify for Eugeene. After his PR Friday the Ingebrigtsen bros gave him a cold shoulder. If they’re on the same juice they’re certainly not sharing.
