SO WHO'S RECORD WAS MORE IMPRESSIVE TODAY?? RANK THEM 1-2-3

Another thing to add is that Girma created his own pace and didn't follow the light and was way ahead them. That's another measure of greatness.

Well, Ingebrigtsen's time converts to something very similar to Daniel Komen's 3000m world record. And forgetting the conversions, an en-route 7:24 is third on the all-time list for the distance. Doing it on his first real try, too - even El Guerrouj did not reach this level in his one and only 3000m time trial, and Komen's WR was his third(?) try at the 3000m WR that summer. It's a tricky distance to get just right.

Girma's time takes out another WR from the late 1990s-early 2000s "special" era. Nearly as impressive.

Kipyegon's time is certainly impressive and her run of form even more so, but the 5000m WR "expectations" had already been reset by Gidey

Yo.

What race do you think would be even between Jakob and Grant Fisher? 5k? 10k?

Girma himself ran 7:26 just a month ago. But anyway, a WR bonus is a WR bonus so if the 1500/5000 meter runners had so much more talent than the specialist steeplechasers, the SC WR would have always been held by one of those 1500 or 5000 meter runners.

I meant historically, especially outside the US.

I say:

”Whose”

Why do they need to win medals at 1500/5000? Aren't there medals in 3000St? The notion that only those who can't medal in flat races, or that Jakob could 'easily' do it, is far fetched and a slur on the quality of those steeple chase specialists

Do not forget the weather conditions and tracks that play.

When you say 7:26 you should mention where and at what weather conditions it was done.

Girma's and Ingebrigtsen's were both expected and both their races were hyped and set up as WR attempts. Faith's wasn't. It came as a complete surprise in a race that was paced for 14:10. Add the fact that is wasn't a mere time trial but a true competition to the end with Gidey, clinches it for me.

So:

1. Faith (not her speciality)

2. Girma (the steeple has never been a deep event)

3. Jakob (very rarely run unofficial event)

Are you sure am I the one who is biased?

3000m is not close enough to 3000st for you? Tell me one 3000st that went sub 7:30 before Girma?

We now have a WR holder that isn't even good on the technical aspect of the 3000st. Depiste this fact, he lowered the WR by 2sec, alone for 60% of the race. That means there is still room for several seconds of improvment.

Yes the 3000st has always been the softest event. A guy like Mekhissi was "only" a 3:32/7:40/13:15 (pb even worse than that despite running those distances quite often) guy but could medal every championship in the 3000st.

GIRMA - sc is a brutal event, more than running.

JAKOB - wavelights help big time, he can go below 7:50

KIPYEGON - soft records, women will get to 13:50 soon

For the last 16+ years that I’ve been frequenting this website, people have been saying that Komen’s 7:20.67 was the most untouchable middle or long distance record in the books. Saying things like “All the greats have tried and nobody’s even come close,” even “That record will still be standing 50 years from now,” etc. For years now I’ve argued that a few other all-time greats may have been capable of 7:20-7:21 and it’s been mostly an uphill battle. Now Jakob throws down a performance that’s pretty clearly superior, averaging 7:21.89 pace with his final 3k in ~7:21.3 and the second mile in ~3:53.8, and I see people saying it’s not that impressive since the 2-mile is a seldom contested non-championship distance.

I’ve spent enough time weirdly wrapped up in the numerical side of the sport that I don’t really need it to be a standard event in order to conceptualize how impressive it is. Hell, I’m the guy who wasted hours upon hours during the Covid shutdown trying to compile a hyper realistic 4,000 meter top-list if that had always been the standard distance. What Jakob did yesterday was truly incredible, stronger than Komen’s 3k and probably stronger than Cheptegei’s 5k too, and there’s no one else in the world who could match it.

Jakob’s record is most impressive to me, the only one I found shocking to be honest. The other two are a toss-up: on one hand, I’ve always believed the competition in the steeple was inevitably somewhat weaker than in the flat events, and if you look at some others who have run 7:55-7:56 (Bernard Barmasai, Richard Mateelong), maybe 7:52.11 isn’t that far out there; on the other hand, I think the women’s 5k actually still has a few seconds to go before it matches 3:49.11 and 29:01.03. Of course it should go without saying that all 3 were amazing performances that I was lucky to witness live.

2 miles - a novelty event that is rarely raced. Never contested in the Olympics or World Championships.

SC- a niche event for people who cannot win 1500 or 5000.

5000 - the most frequently contested distance event on track.

So it should be Kipyegon > Girma > Ingebrigsten.

John Wesley Harding,

Thanks for the analysis. Jakob's record is stronger than Cheptegei's 5k and Komen's 3k. (per IAAF Scoring Chart)

The sold-out crowd yesterday did.

So, if someone ran 1490 meters in 3:15 it would not be impressive because "it's a novelty event"? This mentality is just silly and makes absolutely zero sense. Regardless of whether or not the 2 mile is run frequently, it was an insane performance and the outright highlight of the meet.

The sad thing is that Jakob and Girma seemed to duck each other at the Paris meet--a bit like Coe vs. Ovett during the 80s. A head to head match between the 2 may help settle the issue better.

3 distance wr's in one meet - and all beating likely doped former marks. Antidoping hasn't just lost a battle; it's lost the war.