There's a lot more times at or near 7:24 than there are at or near 7:20.
800+ GOAT Augustine Choge is still high on that list. Jakob will do pretty well to beat his 7:28 flat. But he'll need that sub 1:45 to challenge Choge's status as all-around king.
Yes, genius, this is how it works. The 7:20 was outdoors, 7:24.9 indoors. Different tracks, more turns, blah blah blah. But you're not interested in how things really work, we get it..
Actually:
1) no 7:21's or 7:22's have ever been ran 2) two 7:24's and four 7:26's have been ran indoors.
Obviously if one of these shows a soft record, it's #2. Three different people have gotten near it in just two years. It is definitely going sooner or later.
Choge's 7:28.00 is equivalent to a 7:23.77 outdoors, going by how near it is to the WR.
You and every other nasty poster will have to face the facts, Jakob is no Daniel Komen and never will be. Doesn't matter if it makes you feel bad, it's still true.
1) no 7:21's or 7:22's have ever been ran 2) two 7:24's and four 7:26's have been ran indoors.
Actually, since some posters (you for example?) are new the the verb of running, it has to be "no 7:22s have ever been RUN" and "two 7:24s have been RUN indoors."
RUN > RAN > HAVE RUN
Since some posters might be new to our language or to the sport, please remember that. And if you become a swimmer or a drinker, here are those verbs as well:
Run - I ran yesterday - I have run twelve marathons but I have never run Boston.
Swim - I swam yesterday - I have swum in the Olympics.
Drink - I drank a beer yesterday - I have drunk a lot of eggnog lately.
Take - I took a nap yesterday - I have taken many naps lately.
Eat - I ate a sandwich today - I have eaten three sandwiches this week.
Sing - I sang in choir when I was a kid - I have never sung professionally.
There are dozens of these "strong verbs" but somehow fluent English speakers know all of them.
1) no 7:21's or 7:22's have ever been ran 2) two 7:24's and four 7:26's have been ran indoors.
Actually, since some posters (you for example?) are new the the verb of running, it has to be "no 7:22s have ever been RUN" and "two 7:24s have been RUN indoors."
RUN > RAN > HAVE RUN
Since some posters might be new to our language or to the sport, please remember that. And if you become a swimmer or a drinker, here are those verbs as well:
Run - I ran yesterday - I have run twelve marathons but I have never run Boston.
Swim - I swam yesterday - I have swum in the Olympics.
Drink - I drank a beer yesterday - I have drunk a lot of eggnog lately.
Take - I took a nap yesterday - I have taken many naps lately.
Eat - I ate a sandwich today - I have eaten three sandwiches this week.
Sing - I sang in choir when I was a kid - I have never sung professionally.
There are dozens of these "strong verbs" but somehow fluent English speakers know all of them.
1) no 7:21's or 7:22's have ever been ran 2) two 7:24's and four 7:26's have been ran indoors.
Actually, since some posters (you for example?) are new the the verb of running, it has to be "no 7:22s have ever been RUN" and "two 7:24s have been RUN indoors."
RUN > RAN > HAVE RUN
You have did not denied or even addressed my point.
Point is standing! 7:20 is way out there. 7:24 is ripe for the picking. Jakob is no Komen. I guessing that is multiple points.
I agree with you on that. I think you are right that there is a world of difference between a "doable under perfect circumstances" 7:24 and an otherworldly 7:20. I think we 100% agree on that.
2:34/K is 12:50. Obviously to break a 12:49 WR you’d have to run 2:33.x per K.
Jakob can get the 3ki record record. He’s capable of a faster 3k than Wale (7:24.98i), Barega (7:26.10i) and Aregawi (7:26.20i). Nobody has run faster than both 3:28.32 and 12:48.45. The fastest 5k runner with a sub-3:30 to his name is Daniel Komen. The second fastest sub-12:50 guy over 1500 is Daniel Komen (behind Jakob). Jakob ran 7:27.05 prior to his 20th birthday, before he became an Olympic champion, before he ran 12:48, before he dismantled arguably the best 5k field ever assembled to win WC gold.
I’ll predict 7:23.80.
I fundamentally agree with this - he definitely can break that indoor mark. The main reason I think it's highly likely/just short of a foregone conclusion is because of wavelight. I am sure they will have that set at 7.24.00 pace (29.6 per 200m) and he will just get into that unrelenting rhythm and be able to churn those laps out with little to no fluctuation in his tempo which is so critical to breaking a record like this.
I think under 7.24 is maybe a slight stretch but I think he can take a solid 0.5-0.7 off that mark. 7.24.35 :)
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your local seattle kerr mini fan wtf is tnt saying lmaoo
Wish Fisher and Kerr would enter and try and stick with him as much as possible. They would both annihilate the US and UK records
Kerr isn't exactly in the same league as Fisher. He's been somewhat disappointing the last few years (by our high standards). I'd bet some Ethiopian would have more success than him.
The high points for the 3000m have already been stated in this thread but it's still worth a link.
For the 5000m, even as a Grant Fisher fan I was surprised to learn in this thread that he's only 4s off a Bekele record. 4 of the top 10 performances are from that Boston race. I didn't bother to check (and LRC apparently didn't mention it) when he ran 12:53 in Boston. It was overshadowed by his AR I guess.
It seems super plausible (though not easy, necessarily) for someone to get it soon, but I'm reminded of what Fisher was saying earlier this year about championship versus record-breaking sharpness. He got the indoor record because he was structuring his training to run fast in Feb/March (10,000m outdoor AR). We shouldn't take for granted that he'll do it that way again.
If I had to bet I'd bet against Jakob, even though this is a publicized record attempt. Not because I don't think he can do it, but because the margin for error is low enough that a record attempt by a capable athlete is more likely to go off the rails than not.
It makes it sound a bit easier if he starts conservatively and pushes the last 1200m.
60/60/60/60 (4:00 1600m, 4:01.7 mile pace) then 59 for 4:59 at 2k, 59 to 5:58 at 2400m, 58 to 6:56 at 2800m, close in :28.xx for 7:24 and the record. Those are splits that would suit Jakob well. 60s aren't much faster than his 5000m pace, while 4:59 is 9 seconds slower than his 2k best. He can close in 27 in fast 1500s, so I think he can close in 28 with the slower pace. Even so, that last 1400m would be about 3:54 mile pace.
60-60-60-60-59-59-58-28.
Jakob ran easily 59 per lap in the first 4 laps in the Impossible Games 2.000m in early 2020. And finished with a 54 lap.
I think they should try to find two pacemakers who could pace him with 59 per lap to a 4:55 2000m.
Then he has to run the last 1000m in 2:29 which should manegeable considering he often has run a fast last 1000m in 3000m races (Rome 2020 (= 2:27) and final in European Indoor 2021 (= 2:21) and 5000m races (WC AND European Ch. 2022 (= 2:23)).
Not sure if this is necessarily a hot take or not but I don't think Jakob finishes his career with any outdoor WRs and I don't think it negatively impacts his legacy in the slightest. Could see him owning lots of road and indoor WRs because the way they train seems to have him in phenomenal shape almost year round.
Kerr isn't exactly in the same league as Fisher. He's been somewhat disappointing the last few years (by our high standards). I'd bet some Ethiopian would have more success than him.
LAST FEW YEARS???
Mr. Kerr won an OLYMPIC MEDAL LAST YEAR.
Last 2 or 3 seasons. J Kerr had fat hanging over his belt last indoor season.
I don't know a massive amount about track running, but, what would you say is the fastest time elite athletes could run 3000m clean ?? As in if they took nothing illegal, what do you think is the absolute fastest they could get being natural??
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Aouita looked really suffering when he established the record in 1989.
If you don't think he was a freak look at this video where he say that at age 13/14 he was added at the last time by the school coach to regional championship at Fez counting for the national championship. He accepted just to do a pleasure to his coach who was expecting him to be among the first 50.
2:34/K is 12:50. Obviously to break a 12:49 WR you’d have to run 2:33.x per K.
Jakob can get the 3ki record record. He’s capable of a faster 3k than Wale (7:24.98i), Barega (7:26.10i) and Aregawi (7:26.20i). Nobody has run faster than both 3:28.32 and 12:48.45. The fastest 5k runner with a sub-3:30 to his name is Daniel Komen. The second fastest sub-12:50 guy over 1500 is Daniel Komen (behind Jakob). Jakob ran 7:27.05 prior to his 20th birthday, before he became an Olympic champion, before he ran 12:48, before he dismantled arguably the best 5k field ever assembled to win WC gold.
I’ll predict 7:23.80.
Are you sure (part questions is bolded). El G was sub 12.50 and ran 3.26, no?
2:34/K is 12:50. Obviously to break a 12:49 WR you’d have to run 2:33.x per K.
Jakob can get the 3ki record record. He’s capable of a faster 3k than Wale (7:24.98i), Barega (7:26.10i) and Aregawi (7:26.20i). Nobody has run faster than both 3:28.32 and 12:48.45. The fastest 5k runner with a sub-3:30 to his name is Daniel Komen. The second fastest sub-12:50 guy over 1500 is Daniel Komen (behind Jakob). Jakob ran 7:27.05 prior to his 20th birthday, before he became an Olympic champion, before he ran 12:48, before he dismantled arguably the best 5k field ever assembled to win WC gold.
I’ll predict 7:23.80.
Are you sure (part questions is bolded). El G was sub 12.50 and ran 3.26, no?
