Oslo Diamond League 2023 Live Thread (LetsRun.com Live Reaction Show at 4pm eastern)

Seeing Narve go sub 3:30 made me deliriously happy. From interviews I've seen and podcasts I've listened to, he seems like such a nice guy, and he totally deserved this. I'm gonna keep him as a dark horse for WC medals in Budapest

That's a world record for the fastest 12th place finish in a 1500. Previous best was 3:32.95,
Juan Carlos Higuero 2004 Brussells

It's you. Every kid who ran up to Jakob on the track got their selfie or a brief moment of his attention. He asked one little dude, what did you enjoy most about the meet? There was room for Warholm, Jakob, Kiplimo, and more in that question. They're proud of their accomplishments, which takes loads of hard work and unrelenting dedication to accomplish.

Eh Hoare has the 3rd best PB now, but I would still take him over Garcia Romo in most cases. G-R has had two good races as a pro, worlds and today. Hoare is more consistent (last year's worlds aside).

You’re just ignorant

The Jakob quotes were interesting:

“Being out by myself, it was a good race. The race went as expected - running by myself as usual and the crowd was amazing - it was amazing to perform this way in front of my home crowd, it's a dream come true. I won it last year but this year running in my main event is an incredibe experience. I know that I was able to run fast like in Paris - that's what it's all about - not what you do in training or so you're going to do but actually running fast in the races when it matters. I 100% have more left in me. It's all abut consistency and delivering good performances in all of the races, I've done it before and we have it all under control. I just have to keep focused on each race ahead in the build u to Budapest, where it really matters”

Id say Katir was pretty much with him until the last 100 though he didn’t really ever have enough to mount a challenge. I think Jakob in his words and actions wants the theoretical psychological barrier that eluded him last year vs Wightman or even Tim trying to pass him earlier in the race. But I’m not sure, todays race will necessarily help as Cheruiyot will probably determine he waited too long to push hard and Katir won’t be bothered by the result.

This has legitimately never happened in a global championship 1500. Show me someone who thinks it has and I’ll show you someone who wasn’t following the sport closely.

Tend to agree that this hasn't happened. But Nijel Amos and Timothy Kitum felt like they came out of nowhere to me in the 800 at the 2012 Olympics.

Fantastic talent!

Hiltz is competing in a women’s race - it’s perfectly understandable if people say ‘she’ on occasion. I personally cannot refer to any single individual as ‘they’. It’s asinine - not to mention grammatically horrible. Hiltz’s girlfriend berated the European Athletics announcers for misgendering Hiltz last week, claiming it was ‘dangerous’ and ‘creating an unsafe space’ for people like Hiltz. That sort of fanatical rhetoric helps no-one. Good luck to Hiltz for the season.

I think also that they have a more direct form of speaking in general.

E.g.

How do you think you will race?

Another country: Oh, how kind of you for asking! Well, I'm not sure... hehehe. If everything goes to plan, then maybe we can see something special (whilst thinking 'I'm going to run a PB and smash everyone into the ground').

Norway: Yes. I think I will run very well! My strategy is... Thanks for asking.

World Youth Bronze in 2011 and World Junior Silver for Kitum. He had pedigree and also two top 4 DL finishes in 2011”2 (albeit slow times). Amos jumped to a crazy level in 2012 after 5th at World Youths in 2011 (many will now point to doping).

In the 1500, there’s rarely a “random” Kenyan who is at the sub-3:30 level. The best guy to even fit this scenario would be Reynold Cheruiyot who has no DL starts but he won World Juniors last year and were he to progress to running 3:28 or something it would be surprising but not random. It would be more resembling a Noah Ngeny type emergence.

A reasonable example, but still I was aware of them because: they had gone 1-2 at World Juniors that year in 1:43.79/1:44.56; they had run 1:43.11/1:43.94 PRs already respectively; Kitum had placed 2nd at the Kenyan trials and raced in a couple Diamond Leagues. Still, I was shocked at how fast they ran in that Olympic final as teenagers.

Ronald Kwemoi comes to mind as one exception, but that’s going back to 2014 when he was supposedly 18.

-3:45 PB in 2013

- 3x3:42 in the Spring in Japan

- Wins the Kenyan championships in Nairobi in 3:34

- Wins Lausanne DL in 3:31.48

- Finishes 3rd in Monaco in 3:28.81

That’s a direct progression; I’m not omitting anything that would suggest 3:28 was coming.

I agree with you, Nuguse is not quite ripe yet and Tim is just a little over ripe. In no way am I saying that Yared cannot be ready to beat Jakob next summer, but let’s see. That may be too soon. He clearly cannot stay quite close enough now when the pace is hot. I think Jakob has passed TIm by, or Tim has faded just a bit behind, and that’s not changing.

Slow track at Bislett? I guess we will find out in Lausanne and Silesia.

Would be funny if Gjert trains him to beat Jakob one day considering Jakob and Gjert's breakup :D

I will grant that people will slip up and refer to Hiltz as "she" on occasion. It happens. I will also grant that I do not think it is dangerous for the announcers to misgender Hiltz. They should, however, do their best to refer to Hiltz by they/them pronouns, and just correct themselves and move on when they err.

More importantly, though, there is nothing asinine or "grammatically horrible" (which is itself a grammatically incorrect phrase, as adjectives cannot be used to modify other adjectives) about referring to a single individual by they/them pronouns. You and everyone else probably already do it on a regular basis. Some examples:

"Oh no! Someone dropped their wallet on the ground! I really hope they can find it. I will take it to lost and found to try to help them."

"Anyone can run fast if they have super-shoes."

"Oregon is going to hire a new director of track and field. Whoever they are, they can't be worse than Jerry."

There is nothing wrong with or difficult about referring to Hiltz by they/them pronouns. They/them pronouns are already used all the time to refer to individuals whose identity or gender is unknown. Because Hiltz does not identify with either of the two most common genders, it is perfectly appropriate to refer to them by they/them pronouns.

If you have some other problem with they/them pronouns, I probably can't convince you to change your mind. However, grammar is not a reason not to use they/them pronouns, so ditch this argument.

Yes and I love it