Host nations either dope or food poisons opposition and all with Ioc blessings! Real conspiracy theories!
Host nations either dope or food poisons opposition and all with Ioc blessings! Real conspiracy theories!
fred wrote:
Conley only ran 15:36 at Rio.
Conley:
"Heat can take a profound toll on the body, and training often has to be modified. Since I am now in a place of scaling back training before racing the 5000m in Rio the timing fits nicely. Physiologists recommend spending two weeks in humid conditions to fully acclimate. I began the process in Flagstaff by running during the warmest times of the morning and wearing long sleeves and tights, mostly to help make Houston feel like less of a shock to the system. We’re now spending a week in Houston where it’s very hot, and then we’ll have a full week in Rio before my first race. At this stage of preparation the goal of training is less about building fitness and more about being prepared for the specific demands and conditions of the races at the Olympic Games."
Did it work?
fred.
Kim just didn't have a good race in Rio. She did get a good tan while she was there. You remember that her shoe came off in the 10K at the US Olympic trials…which was really bad luck…which was also similar to the luck of US SUPERHERO Abbey D'Agostino at the Olympics.
As Kim ran by on Saturday…I yelled at her…"I hope you can keep your shoe on during the marathon. If you can't…at least there will be more time to put it back on."
Kim raised her hand and either... gave me a thumbs up…or…gave me the middle finger. I am not sure which one it was. (Kim Conley was also born in BRITAIN. She runs on the wrong side of the trail about 30% of the time.)
Here is a fun anabolic steroid article which will help you get bored and fall asleep:
http://www.rsc.org/Education/EiC/issues/2010Mar/FiveRingsGoodFourRingsBad.aspIt has a great section on THG (tetrahydrogestrinone) at BALCO, made by Patrick Arnold…NOT Victor Conte!!!
Deanouk wrote:
kimani wrote:But you're not paying attention to the second half of the argument: if she doesn't have the speed, she must have the endurance. A 1500 runner will lean toward being an 8/15 runner or a 15/3k/5k runner. So if her 8 stagnated at 2, she is obviously not speed-based, and her 3:55 would come from sub-15 5k endurance. Semenya is speed-based, so her 15 should be worse than her 4, showing that her 800 prowess comes from her 400 speed, rather than her 1500 endurance.
Ok, fair play to point, but has Muir run either a competitive and well paced 800 or 3000 this year? Her pbs may reflect the fact she has not run either distance recently, or that they were in races and not fast paced time trials!
As an example, Coe's pbs for 3 and 5 k were 7:54 and 14:06. Anyone who believes that was all he was capable of are not very astute or knowledgeable; and I'm not suggesting that is you btw.
I personally feel that at this point Muir is clean. There isn't any convincing evidence to suggest otherwise. No, I'm not 100% sure and my position may change over time if other things emerge. And it has nothing to do with being British. I mentioned Murphy earlier in a post, and I don't think he's doping either.
These boards are getting saturated and ruined, imo, with constant accusations against anyone who runs fast. It's quite depressing really and is ruining the sport.
I agree with you. Everyone has their own subjective and arbitrary criteria for what is "too fast" or "too much improvement."
I think Jenny Simpson is clean. She runs the 800m around 2:00 and I think she could improve her PR from 3:57 to 3:55…which is what Laura Muir just did. Shannon Rowbury also has an 800m PR around 2:00 and has run 3:56. Faith Kipyegon and Sifan Hassan have run 3:56. Laura Muir ran 1 second faster. Why is that crazy? I don't think it is "too fast" or "too much improvement" at this point. There is nothing else that is suspicious about Laura Muir at this point.
Genzebe Dibaba and Qu Yunxia are the women who have run 3:50. That is 5 seconds faster than Laura Muir.
Laura Muir may have just run the clean world record for the women's 1500m. Laura Muir is a very talented and very exciting runner.
Laura dared the other runners to try to catch her.
Nobody could do it.
RJM
Laura and Butchard, Scots, had breakouts timed for the Olympics after going to Font Romeu near Andorra and Spain where the doped cyclists, doping doctors, Jama and other suspected doped athletes hang out.
A 2 hour drive in various directions is in dopersville . The dopers Hall of Fame Fuentes blood bags are close by. Lance and the doping allstars did their best work there.
They should rename this area Dopestan.
Dopestan
https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/Andorra/Barcelona,+Spain/@41.9602946,1.1447639,9z/data=
!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x12a5f52e989ef095:0x7c93ed778ea7f92!2m2!1d1.521801!2d42.506285!1m5!1m1!1s0x12a49816718e30e5:0x44b0fb3d4f47660a!2m2!1d2.1734035!2d41.3850639!3e0
fred wrote:
RJM
Laura and Butchard, Scots, had breakouts timed for the Olympics after going to Font Romeu near Andorra and Spain where the doped cyclists, doping doctors, Jama and other suspected doped athletes hang out.
A 2 hour drive in various directions is in dopersville . The dopers Hall of Fame Fuentes blood bags are close by. Lance and the doping allstars did their best work there.
They should rename this area Dopestan.
I am very confused as to why people think athletes would need to visit certain coaches to gain access to PEDs.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
fred wrote:
RJM
Laura and Butchard, Scots, had breakouts timed for the Olympics after going to Font Romeu near Andorra and Spain where the doped cyclists, doping doctors, Jama and other suspected doped athletes hang out.
A 2 hour drive in various directions is in dopersville . The dopers Hall of Fame Fuentes blood bags are close by. Lance and the doping allstars did their best work there.
They should rename this area Dopestan.
USA had a great meet at the Olympics after finishing third at the World Champs only last year. Americans are from the same place as Biogenesis, Balco, Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong. The M4x100m had served four bans between them.
They should rename this country United Enhanced-States of America.
Metric Miler wrote:
fred wrote:RJM
Laura and Butchard, Scots, had breakouts timed for the Olympics after going to Font Romeu near Andorra and Spain where the doped cyclists, doping doctors, Jama and other suspected doped athletes hang out.
A 2 hour drive in various directions is in dopersville . The dopers Hall of Fame Fuentes blood bags are close by. Lance and the doping allstars did their best work there.
They should rename this area Dopestan.
I am very confused as to why people think athletes would need to visit certain coaches to gain access to PEDs.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Well, Barry Fudge isn't really a coach.
fred wrote:
RJM
Laura and Butchard, Scots, had breakouts timed for the Olympics after going to Font Romeu near Andorra and Spain where the doped cyclists, doping doctors, Jama and other suspected doped athletes hang out.
A 2 hour drive in various directions is in dopersville . The dopers Hall of Fame Fuentes blood bags are close by. Lance and the doping allstars did their best work there.
They should rename this area Dopestan.
couple of points here. Firstly, Laura Muir (amongst others) has been going to Font Romeu to train several times a year for many years now. Secondly, if you think she had a breakout time at the Olympics then you weren't watching very closely
fred wrote:
RJM
Laura and Butchard, Scots, had breakouts timed for the Olympics after going to Font Romeu near Andorra and Spain where the doped cyclists, doping doctors, Jama and other suspected doped athletes hang out.
A 2 hour drive in various directions is in dopersville . The dopers Hall of Fame Fuentes blood bags are close by. Lance and the doping allstars did their best work there.
They should rename this area Dopestan.
They should rename this site Bolloxtan.
fred wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/118204311567371/photos/a.267661083288359.71210.118204311567371/767549129966216/?type=3&theater
I'm not sure if you ever ran for a club or university, but if one of your teammates happened to be doping, how would you know? Taking a pill or an injection into his stomach fat in the privacy of his bathroom in the evenings.
Unless you share a bed, how would you know what one might be up to?
Credited wrote:The conditions in Paris were practically ideal.
not for disitances of 800 or above
A temperature of 30 won't effect a race as short as 1500
is this a joke ???
woud the same time for 1500 be expected if track temperature was 70F or 120F ???
have you heard of hyperthermia ???
There were fast times also in men's 800 and 3000
& lot of the fields ran nowhere close to PBs
Obviously everyone was running so much slower due to high temperatures?
majority were
If it was a marathon, fair point, but not for 4 mins of running
is this a joke ???
a 1500 at 70F expected to be same as one run at 120F ???
Your fixated with making times faster for slight wind and anything not 70
is this a joke ???
why do you think air-con is fixed at ~ 70F ???
that's because it is considered optimal "working temperature"
And there is no way for allocating time values for temperature or wind
you clearly have little idea of the history of the sport nor been watching races as grown-up since early '70s
easy to quantify for wind
a 2m/s wind in a 400 & above wrecks races, probably by 1/2s for 400 & 1s for 800
as for temperature, from having an idea of runner's shape, i'd estimate a 100F track-side temperature woud slow :
800 - by about 1/2s
1500 - by ~ 1+s
Laura Muir would have benefitted with more evenly distributed pace in the first 3 laps, which would probably get her down by a second, but any more based on the fact it was hot and she is pale is nonsense.
nonsense is your belief that 100 trackside temperature woud not have slowed her time compared to run at 70F
the heat cost her at least 1s & probably more as she isn't using to running in this heat day-in-day-out even if she attends warm-weather camps for few weeks in a year
rjm33 wrote:
Laura Muir could have just run the clean world record for the women's 1500m. Laura Muir is a very talented and very exciting runner.
She could have if she was clean, which she isn't. Laura Muir and all the other brits are doping cheaters.
Deanouk wrote:Cram's best ever 400 tt in 85 was 48.1, and he ran faster than Murphy. By your reasoning. Murphy, at 45 mid, should be running sub 1:40!
is this a joke ???
you have been told numerous times that 48.1tt for cram is utter nonsense
likely he ran it either in very early season when showing ~ 1'46 or later in season during a brutal work-out so no rest at all for it
the cram who ran 1'42.8 with huge amount extra on bends & in tactical race was probably in 46-low/mid / 1'41-mid shape
here is contemporary evidence that 48.1 speed for cram at peak of '85 season is utter total nonsense :
https://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/conseslus-kipruto-2016-rio-olympic-gamesShortly before the World Championships last year, his manager watched him complete a workout on a synthetic track in Nairobi alongside Alfred Kipketer, an 800m specialist who trains under the same coach.
With a long recovery between each rep, the pair ran 400m in 47 seconds, 300m in 34, 200m in 22 and 150m in 16. “The guy is fast,†says Boeting. “Let me tell you, he is really fast.â€
that 400 coudn't have been flat-out as he had to save some energy for later 300, 200 & 150 which were runs of similar or even better calibre - 150m in 16s !!!
it coud be argued that 'Ruto's 1-off 400 couda been into the 46s
please explain to world that if 'Ruto has 47 or possibly even 46+ speed, how on earth cram "only" had 48.1 speed at peak of '85 ???
i trust we will never here this nonsense ever again of cram having only 48.1 speed in his 1'42 or 3'46...
Post the quote from Cram or from a specific workout on the net.
Cram
Personal best 400 meters - 49.1
His coach said that he didn't have any speed. The focus of training was endurance and speed endurance.
now try & think
claims of cram who ran 1'42.8 with huge extra distance off pedestrian 400 in a tactical race for him to just beat cruz, to have only 48.1 speed at the time is utter nonsense
cram was in 1'41-mid shape that day for route-1 off 49-high & you think 48.1 speed for him that day is likely ???
have you read the iaaf article above on a 3kSC guy with 47+ speed at start of a workout ???
how on earth does cram therefore only have 48.1 in peak of '85 if a 3kSC guy has 47+ speed ???
laura muir = IGF-1 lr3 + mildronate alpha ...................
how many more records will we see .. especially in womens side
and Who will be the chosen japanese star in track at tokyo 2020
given ioc carte blanche to dope .
calculo wrote:
now try & think
claims of cram who ran 1'42.8 with huge extra distance off pedestrian 400 in a tactical race for him to just beat cruz, to have only 48.1 speed at the time is utter nonsense
cram was in 1'41-mid shape that day for route-1 off 49-high & you think 48.1 speed for him that day is likely ???
have you read the iaaf article above on a 3kSC guy with 47+ speed at start of a workout ???
how on earth does cram therefore only have 48.1 in peak of '85 if a 3kSC guy has 47+ speed ???
I'll take his coach's word that he didn't have any speed.