Ajee Wilson breaks her own AR at Millrose - Runs 1:58.29

The 800 is weird that way. I have never finished a mile, 3K or 5K at hard effort without feeling like a truck hit me. On the the other hand, while some of my faster 800s hurt like being torched with a flamethrower, others, including my PR, were basically my laughing across the finish line with how easy it all was. Especially when it was near even splits. Then a few minutes later, bam I was cooked. Look at Amos v. Rudisha to see the contrast.

The majority of my PRs felt way easier than normal races. Once you finish the endorphins kind of take over and you feel great.

It's the races I do awful in that I'm exhausted at the end.

I remember asking Greg Meyer when he really started to hurt during the race when he set his PR and won the Boston Marathon (2:09, 1983). I asked about the stages of hurt-pain-agony.

He said he never really hurt bad that day. He felt good the whole way.

Sometimes it is possible that it all comes together at the right time, and you win easy.

Lots of top runners run primarily to win, and not necessarily to break records or run their best time. you hear about run to win and fast times will come.

If your primary goal is to win and you know you are comfortably in the lead there is no reason to push yourself to the absolute limit. You can relax knowing you are winning. You might jeopardize the win if you risk pushing too hard.

Those that are not winning are more frequently the ones who look to be in pain and agony, pushing too hard trying to win.

merungood wrote:

Ajee Wilson with a 1:58.29.

And she's the hottest looking athlete in Track!

But the best way to win easy is to dope. It sure helps with recovery.

tyty wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

But the best way to win easy is to dope. It sure helps with recovery.

Stupid post, from a stupid poster.

You are clearly not aware of official estimates (including WADA) that put doping amongst elites as high as 40%. (Wilson is amongst those who have failed a doping test. "Tainted beef"). Denial is its own form of stupidity.

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are clearly not aware of official estimates (including WADA) that put doping amongst elites as high as 40%. (Wilson is amongst those who have failed a doping test. "Tainted beef"). Denial is its own form of stupidity.

^This. Some here continue to pretend that doping is rare. Look at it this way:

1) The only comprehensive study on all doping methods resulted in 44% cheats among world championship athletes.

2) The two studies that used actual blood data resulted in 18% of blood doping among elite endurance athletes.

3) The current AIU banned list shows that blood dopers are in the clear minority of dopers, suggesting that these three studies confirm each other. Remember, Wilson herself tested positive for roids.

4) Several experts explained that blood doping alone helps 2 - 4%.

Now look at the 2019 worlds. 41 female 800 meter runners, so statistically 18 dopers. Five athletes ended up running sub-2, three ran 1:58. The difference between 1st and 4th place in the final was 1.14 seconds, exactly 1%.

If one of the 1:58 runners was clean, she could've run 1:54 - 1:56 with blood doping, likely even faster with roids + blood doping, depending on which expert to believe.

If the 4th place was clean, she would have won as a doper. And so on.

In conclusion, it is highly unlikely that any of the top three were clean. Sorry.

Yes, Wilson tested positive for steroids. The testers reported that the amount found in her system was so minute that it very likely was from an unintended source. They know micro dosing. Ajee's results weren't even close. It's been proven that roided meat can cause a positive. I'm always at the bottom of the class, so it's really puzzling to me why all you intellectuals can't grasp these facts.

1) It has not been proven that zeranol in American beef can cause a positive.

2) If zeranol in American beef could cause a positive, why are there not many more positive tests of beef lovers?

3) "minute amounts"? Who would dope right before the competition? Small amounts are typical for either slightly misjudging the glowing time or not being aware of enhanced detection limits.

casual obsever wrote:

1) It has not been proven that zeranol in American beef can cause a positive.

2) If zeranol in American beef could cause a positive, why are there not many more positive tests of beef lovers?

3) "minute amounts"? Who would dope right before the competition? Small amounts are typical for either slightly misjudging the glowing time or not being aware of enhanced detection limits.

Casual observer, I pretty much repeated what the lab/testing / USADA people published when Ajee tested positive. You're coming off as if you are more knowledgeable than all of them put together. If this is the case there must be a conspiracy afoot. Anyone else on your radar?

Crow- magnon wrote:

Yes, Wilson tested positive for steroids. The testers reported that the amount found in her system was so minute that it very likely was from an unintended source. .

They do that when the steaks are high. She's a medal contender.

Bad Wigins wrote:

It was also the meat record

Yes of the tainted variety.

Here's one for you Casual about fanboys in denial land. I was browsing through instagram and came across a running form analysis guy named JPGloria and anyhow he had a clip/post showing Christian Coleman's running form. Someone commented below "Doper" and he replied basically don't be silly this guy is clean, he's tested all the time!

Subway Surfers wrote:

Here's one for you Casual about fanboys in denial land. I was browsing through instagram and came across a running form analysis guy named JPGloria and anyhow he had a clip/post showing Christian Coleman's running form. Someone commented below "Doper" and he replied basically don't be silly this guy is clean, he's tested all the time!

Lol, but sadly, yes that doesn't surprise me. We saw such posts here on letsrun too. The fanbois don't even have a problem with the banned doper Drummond being on Coleman's team, and neither does USADA.

I notice that you didn't argue against anything in my post...

Conspiracy? Just same old, same old, a NADO that lets its athletes off the hook wherever possible.

Other examples:

- Armstrong - never got caught as an athlete by USADA despite his doping to the gills

- NOP - still no athlete one caught, and now USADA is mad at WADA for looking into this

- Rollins - dodged the tester in the airport, which USADA judged as an inadvertently missed test

- Roberts - got away with the kissing excuse

- LMerrit - got away with the supplement excuse

- Gay - got only one year for testo doping

- Drummond - formally got 8 years for doping Gay but is now advising Coleman

- Coleman - gets away with having banned Drummond as advisor

- Coleman - got away with 3 missed tests within 10 months because in the first case, the tester arrived at 7:55, so during the 1 hour window, but allegedly wasted 6 minutes before "beginning" according to USADA, so outside of the 1 hour window, so it was labeled a whereabout failure and thus backdated 2.5 months

- ...

There are more, but you get the point. Why? As Dick Pound said:

tyty wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are clearly not aware of official estimates (including WADA) that put doping amongst elites as high as 40%. (Wilson is amongst those who have failed a doping test. "Tainted beef"). Denial is its own form of stupidity.

It's not denial, you idiot. It's your stupidity. You bringing doping into every thread. You have never even run competitively. Never coached. You were just a crap journalist. And you are still crap.

It is apparent the only comment you bother to read is mine - I should be flattered if you weren't such a brainless prat - because numerous other commenters have discussed doping on this and other threads, for the reason that the sport is rife with the practice. Your fatuous indignation doesn't change that. Clearly you are unable to refute the official data on the appalling incidence of doping and are capable of nothing more than a dumb personal attack. Shoot the messenger, as they say.

The reason why they narrowed it down to that is because she was tested days before and there was no positive test. She had to be tested to ratify the record and was tested again. But people don’t want to listen to that.

merungood wrote:

Ajee Wilson with a 1:58.29.

PLACE ATHLETE RESULT 200M 400M 600M 800M LN/POS

1 USAAjee Wilson adidas 1:58.29 NRMR

27.09 57.51 1:28.43

2 JAMNatoya Goule adidas 1:59.35

27.31 57.44 1:28.16

3 USAOlivia Baker GSTC New Balance 2:02.86 PB

4 FRACynthia Anais France 2:04.51

5 GBRShelayna Oskan-Clarke Great Britain 2:06.22

DNF USALaTavia Thomas Moore Elite Track Club

DNF USACe'Aira Brown Hoka NJ-NY TC

Great job to everyone in the race. Keep up the hard work.

Bad Wigins wrote:

It was also the meat record

Good thing too, there was a lot at steak.