Laura MF Muir 3:55

Gilfoyle wrote:

Let's just hope Laura Muir's boyfriend (if she has one) isn't a pro cyclist...

That's the first thing I look for these days when people come out of nowhere.

Does she pass this test?

Of course she's clean, as someone said on the Andrew Butchart thread there's something 'very special' going on in Scottish athletics at the moment.

Gilfoyle wrote:

Let's just hope Laura Muir's boyfriend (if she has one) isn't a pro cyclist...

That's the first thing I look for these days when people come out of nowhere.

Does she pass this test?

LOL

muir certainly didn't

far too hot for 1500 running especially for a pasty, anaemic looking scots gal !!!

2'09+ is rubbish pacing when 2'08 is absolute slowest it shouda been, probably 2'06 more like as that is still only 3'56.25 pace

not muir's fault, but the organisers that they asked for such rubbish pace

she is capable on a temperate day with steady 63s pace to bell currently

3'53+

as for "ideal times", the Big-Man in '10 with his brace of 1'41-flats came somewhat close off opening 24.5s in both, albeit he got no effective drafting & pace to 400 & 600 varied too much

as for any others, none really come to mind

it is always a question of trying to estimate for best possible conditions/pacing/drafting/etc

if you find me 1 WR holder in history who thinks their clocking was the fastest they couda gone if examing the circumstances, then you are dreaming...

IrnBruFTW wrote:

Gilfoyle wrote:

Let's just hope Laura Muir's boyfriend (if she has one) isn't a pro cyclist...

That's the first thing I look for these days when people come out of nowhere.

Does she pass this test?

Of course she's clean, as someone said on the Andrew Butchart thread there's something 'very special' going on in Scottish athletics at the moment.

Are they in the same group?

smile wrote:

Can'tWinWhine wrote:

Bad day for Jenny ....

She can't play the race card or the dope card on the winner ...

However, she can play with T.U.E.'s ... She's clean as a 'Tuesday' morning!

Checkout Simpson's testing numbers and compare them with other USA mid-long distance runners .... Is the USADA in the tank with J. Simpson?

2016 - 4 test for the 'great one' as of 8/2016 (4 only for a multi-medal holder)

2015 - 1 test (think about that --- one test)

2014 - 2 test (just 2)

2013 - 2 test (just 2)

So Jenny (Ms Anti-Doper) what's really going on?

http://www.usada.org/testing/results/athlete-test-history/

USADA should disclose all T.U.E.'s for public viewing ...

USADA tests athletes more if their biological passport shows suspicious numbers. The fact that Jenny, and Emma Coburn for that matter, are tested way less than Salazar athletes should tell you something.

Your biological passport statement is a complete fabrication

We all know why NOP athletes are tested so much. It's because of the allegations made against them by Goucher and Magness.

If there were any biological passport issues we would have heard about them

But guess what? There are none so quit making up stories.

Poor sport and sore loser.

coupla points :

Kipyegon obviously celebrating a lot & not top-shape after rio

to win the way she did & her earlier 3'56+ off real rubbish pacing indicated rio shape was

~ 3'52 ' 3'53

as for muir's current 800 shape :

i'm using 3'53-low as her current 1500 shape with various possible 400s :

3'53.25 / 55.00 ->

1'57.55

2'29.98

3'53.25 / 54.00 ->

1'56.60

2'29.21

3'53.25 / 53.00 ->

1'55.65

2'28.44

if i had to put money on it, i'd reckon her current 800 shape for the "perfect race" meaning getting out quick with 2s +ve splits woud be

~ 1'56-flat

Ah Ha wrote:

I am not really very familiar with Muir.

Her progression:

4:07.76 Birmingham 30 Jun 13

4:02.91 Hengelo 8 Jun 14

4:00.07 Paris 5 Jul 14

3:58.66 Monaco 17 Jul 15

3:57.40 Oly Park 22 Jul 16

3:55.22 Paris 27 Aug 16

DOB: 9 May 1993

Is it me or does her form looks exactly like Chris O'hare !!??

poor sports and sore losers wrote:

smile wrote:

USADA tests athletes more if their biological passport shows suspicious numbers. The fact that Jenny, and Emma Coburn for that matter, are tested way less than Salazar athletes should tell you something.

Your biological passport statement is a complete fabrication

We all know why NOP athletes are tested so much. It's because of the allegations made against them by Goucher and Magness.

If there were any biological passport issues we would have heard about them

But guess what? There are none so quit making up stories.

Poor sport and sore loser.

Nope.

I'm right. You're wrong.

Why the f did Muir not just time trial. 4 flat at the olympics? Drives me nuts.

calculo wrote:

if i had to put money on it, i'd reckon her current 800 shape for the "perfect race" meaning getting out quick with 2s +ve splits woud be ~ 1'56-flat

This would be an almost 4 1/2 second improvement on her 800 PB of 2:00.42, set last year in Birmingham. Her 800 time has basically been unchanged since 2013, when she ran 2:00.8x three times.

Agip wrote:

Why the f did Muir not just time trial. 4 flat at the olympics? Drives me nuts.

Because Dibaba, Hasan, and Kipyegon would've outkicked her. And a slew of other women (e.g. both US runners) would have probably benefitted enough from the pro-bono rabbiting to drop her even farther down the list. She went out with the leaders at OG and look how that turned out--now imagine her not just going out with the leaders, but in the lead!

I'm happy for her. Muir was a serious contender for medal at Olympics—Muir is better runner than Jenny Simpson right now (I say this as American who likes Simpson...I just think Muir has better closing speed and more room for improvement due to her youth).

Muir missed podium due to tactical mistake: she tried to cover Dibaba's break midrace and went too hard too early. Had Muir been a bit more patient in Rio, she could have gotten at least bronze, if not better. Her speed is very impressive. Muir has baby face of a schoolgirl and stride of a cheetah. I imagine she was heartbroken after Rio and I'm glad she has redeemed herself.

smile wrote:

poor sports and sore losers wrote:

Your biological passport statement is a complete fabrication

We all know why NOP athletes are tested so much. It's because of the allegations made against them by Goucher and Magness.

If there were any biological passport issues we would have heard about them

But guess what? There are none so quit making up stories.

Poor sport and sore loser.

Nope.

I'm right. You're wrong.

Dream on

And oh yeah.. Keep smiling!

poor sports and sore losers wrote:

smile wrote:

Nope.

I'm right. You're wrong.

Dream on

And oh yeah.. Keep smiling!

Nope.

I'm right. You're wrong.

This cute little Scottish girl just passes exams to be a veternarian as NBC guys said every time she was on screen.

Race track vets are notorious for giving horses a little sumfin, sumfin ( wink, wink)

Can't believe all of you think a 3:55 by a little British girl is clean. She's running what the doped up Eastern blockers did, so she's abusing like they did, too. Wake up, people!

No but... wrote:

I'll admit I didn't see it - but splits seem to show 2.10 at 800. So if you think probably around 1.54/55 at 800 - not sure where this 1.57 is coming from.

It's BS. Got it on the screen in front of me. 1.52.7 at 700, 2.09 at 800. SO last 800 was 2.02-high

kcufkcuf wrote:

Can't believe all of you think a 3:55 by a little British girl is clean. She's running what the doped up Eastern blockers did, so she's abusing like they did, too. Wake up, people!

What are you talking about, she's a Brit. Brit's believe in sportsmanship and honour and don't dope. No way.