Recap Of NJ-NY Track Club Performances From The Weekend
February 11, 2014
What A Race: 4 X 800 Record Falls In Tremendous Battle To The Line
February 08, 2014
Sad smiley face wrote:
Chick Magnate wrote:How long can Hill keep surprising us like this?
For as long as we continue to underestimate him.
Guy quietly ripped a 3:59 mile at 5,000ft a couple weeks back. That's not as impressive as chasing two E. Africans home in 7:35, but was a solid indicator of beast-mode capability.
Montesquieu wrote:
Setting aside Rupp's injury and granting your post has some merit, I'm fairly confused. According to the standard LetsRun narrative, Rupp is on drugs of various kinds, ranging from the gray area (whatever that means) to the distinctly shady, but there's no problem imagining Hill beating him--and no one would ever think Hill or Jager et cetera is doping. Interesting.
yessum wrote:
Hill ran 13:15 last year, and everybody knows Rollie Geiger isn't into the dope.
Montesquieu wrote:
Setting aside Rupp's injury and granting your post has some merit, I'm fairly confused. According to the standard LetsRun narrative, Rupp is on drugs of various kinds, ranging from the gray area (whatever that means) to the distinctly shady, but there's no problem imagining Hill beating him--and no one would ever think Hill or Jager et cetera is doping. Interesting.
yessum wrote:Ryan Hill's peers need to learn. First of all, that Ryan Hill is a badass, and they should try to replicate his fearless badassness whenever possible. Second, that they cannot spot him 3 yards all race and expect to beat him. When Bumbalough settled in 3 yards behind him for the bulk of the race, he essentially ceded any shot at winning. I guess everyone thinks they have the best kick though, despite evidence to the contrary. I don't think any American was beating Hill today, though, not even Rupp.
Wo! Way too much logic for letsrun. Remember, you need to hate all things oregon and nike. Forget the fact that hill is sponsored by nike though....
is there a link up yet?
I recorded it on my tv but apparently the 3k wasn't televised. Oops.
Montesquieu wrote:
Setting aside Rupp's injury and granting your post has some merit, I'm fairly confused. According to the standard LetsRun narrative, Rupp is on drugs of various kinds, ranging from the gray area (whatever that means) to the distinctly shady, but there's no problem imagining Hill beating him--and no one would ever think Hill or Jager et cetera is doping. Interesting.
yessum wrote:Ryan Hill's peers need to learn. First of all, that Ryan Hill is a badass, and they should try to replicate his fearless badassness whenever possible. Second, that they cannot spot him 3 yards all race and expect to beat him. When Bumbalough settled in 3 yards behind him for the bulk of the race, he essentially ceded any shot at winning. I guess everyone thinks they have the best kick though, despite evidence to the contrary. I don't think any American was beating Hill today, though, not even Rupp.
Why does doping (99.9% based on wild speculation) have to come up on every single damn thread? There should be threads focusing on that, and maybe it trickles into the discussion sometimes, but every goddamn time? That's exhausting, man.
So much lack of logic in this post, despite a later posters praise. you're assuming that everyone on Letsrun shares the views espoused in whatever the "Letsrun narrative" is, including me, despite the fact that I never mentioned drugs...hardly even mentioned Rupp.
Montesquieu wrote:
Setting aside Rupp's injury and granting your post has some merit, I'm fairly confused. According to the standard LetsRun narrative, Rupp is on drugs of various kinds, ranging from the gray area (whatever that means) to the distinctly shady, but there's no problem imagining Hill beating him--and no one would ever think Hill or Jager et cetera is doping. Interesting.
yessum wrote:Ryan Hill's peers need to learn. First of all, that Ryan Hill is a badass, and they should try to replicate his fearless badassness whenever possible. Second, that they cannot spot him 3 yards all race and expect to beat him. When Bumbalough settled in 3 yards behind him for the bulk of the race, he essentially ceded any shot at winning. I guess everyone thinks they have the best kick though, despite evidence to the contrary. I don't think any American was beating Hill today, though, not even Rupp.
So much lack of logic in this post, despite a later posters praise. you're assuming that everyone on Letsrun shares the views espoused in whatever the "Letsrun narrative" is, including me, despite the fact that I never mentioned drugs...hardly even mentioned Rupp.
Montesquieu wrote:
Setting aside Rupp's injury and granting your post has some merit, I'm fairly confused. According to the standard LetsRun narrative, Rupp is on drugs of various kinds, ranging from the gray area (whatever that means) to the distinctly shady, but there's no problem imagining Hill beating him--and no one would ever think Hill or Jager et cetera is doping. Interesting.
yessum wrote:Ryan Hill's peers need to learn. First of all, that Ryan Hill is a badass, and they should try to replicate his fearless badassness whenever possible. Second, that they cannot spot him 3 yards all race and expect to beat him. When Bumbalough settled in 3 yards behind him for the bulk of the race, he essentially ceded any shot at winning. I guess everyone thinks they have the best kick though, despite evidence to the contrary. I don't think any American was beating Hill today, though, not even Rupp.
I'm impressed. Great performance.
In this thread: desperate fanboys who seem to think 7:35 would put this loser anywhere near Rupp...who basically ran 2 miles at Hill's pace. Keep grasping loosers.
Hill looks to be improving (omg is he doping????) but he wouldn't even be in the picture when Rupp crosses the line.
Critical Thinking wrote:
Hill ran 13:15 last year, and everybody knows Rollie Geiger isn't into the dope.
Really?
I brought it up, and thereby was ridiculous, to show how ridiculous a charge it is. But when the "doping" threads do pop up, it would be nice to see some of those complaining about my post complain in those threads as well.
yessun wrote:
So much lack of logic in this post, despite a later posters praise. you're assuming that everyone on Letsrun shares the views espoused in whatever the "Letsrun narrative" is, including me, despite the fact that I never mentioned drugs...hardly even mentioned Rupp.
Montesquieu wrote:Setting aside Rupp's injury and granting your post has some merit, I'm fairly confused. According to the standard LetsRun narrative, Rupp is on drugs of various kinds, ranging from the gray area (whatever that means) to the distinctly shady, but there's no problem imagining Hill beating him--and no one would ever think Hill or Jager et cetera is doping. Interesting.
How do we know this? wrote:
Critical Thinking wrote:Hill ran 13:15 last year, and everybody knows Rollie Geiger isn't into the dope.
Really?
Yes.
not sure if you're just trolling...
but just in case
rupp split 7:34.68 in his 2-mile, continuing to run another 218.6ish meters in 32.73 seconds.
hill ran 7:34.87, with a ~26-27 second last lap. i'm not ventolin but i'd say he could have run faster than 7:34.87 if the pace was more even. probably just 7:33, but still.
so hill would very much "still be in the picture" when rupp finishes his race
reed wrote:
i'm not ventolin
Yes you are.
US is winning the pharmaceutical games.
reed wrote:
not sure if you're just trolling...
but just in case
rupp split 7:34.68 in his 2-mile, continuing to run another 218.6ish meters in 32.73 seconds.
hill ran 7:34.87, with a ~26-27 second last lap. i'm not ventolin but i'd say he could have run faster than 7:34.87 if the pace was more even. probably just 7:33, but still.
so hill would very much "still be in the picture" when rupp finishes his race
If Rupp's pace was more even he would have broken the WR.
His first 400 was sub 8 min pace. His first 200 under 29 seconds. He was in trouble from the start. To have hung on for 8'07 was a great performance.
Hill > Rexing
oops wrote:
reed wrote:i'm not ventolin
Yes you are.
yeah okay`then
anyway, here's a quote from LRC about the pacing, i assume it's their personal hand-timing
"After an opening 4:02 1600, ... the next two 400s were run in 63.8 (ht) and 62.7 (ht) respectively before they closed in 30.9 (ht), 28.9 (ht) and 25.8 (ht)."
~ wrote:
Guy quietly ripped a 3:59 mile at 5,000ft a couple weeks back. That's not as impressive as chasing two E. Africans home in 7:35, but was a solid indicator of beast-mode capability.
Not just any ol' East African elite distance runners. Hagos and Dejen are arguably two of the best in the world at the moment, at 3k to 5k. Hagos is probably the future distance #1 and is only going to get better. On a good day, with Mo Farah out of the picture and Galen Rupp's amazingness still not yet established at the top of the top at 5k, I'd say Dejen is the contemporary #1 of 5k, with his PRs and Olympic Silver. I don't think they were going to let Ryan Hill overtake them, by any fractions of seconds, but kudos kudos kudos to Ryan Hill.
Critical Thinking wrote:
How do we know this? wrote:Really?
Yes.
I'd like to know why you think that everyone knows that Geiger is squeaky clean. He may well be, but I don't know that.