Correct, I meant to state that Mottram would fare better against Bekele than Webb would and..
Does Webb have 12:37 speed?
Most likely, YES.
Correct, I meant to state that Mottram would fare better against Bekele than Webb would and..
Does Webb have 12:37 speed?
Most likely, YES.
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Gç wrote:
Most likely, YES.
You can make arguments about whether or not Ritz has more potential than Kennedy at 5,000m. But to me it's self-evident that Webb will be better than Kennedy at 5,000m, given the right opportunities. He has far more speed than Kennedy ever had and is building his endurance as well. Webb, at 22 years old and in his first serious 5,000m, ran 13:10. Kennedy's best at 22 was 13:14, with a lot of experience and attempts at that distance.
Yeah, for a great example of Bekele's astounding kick against a solid miler, take a look at the 2004 Olympic 5k race.
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You sir are either in the market for attention or just plain simple. The title obviously was to grab attention, WHAT SHOULD THE TITLE HAVE BEEN??
"Kenenisa Bekele will run the 5000m in Paris oh yeah and Alan Webb will be in that race but not running at Kenenisa's pace".
Movies, song, articles, news etc have always used interest generating titles and doing so more in todays media age. In those venues sometimes the bulk of their material has very little to do with the title and other times slightly related to title. So stop letting your blind hatered cloud your little common sense! Alan Webb may very well ATTEMPT to go out and race Kenenisa Bekele and blow up, or the pace may lag and he have a shot of running much longer with him, or Alan just may pull off a Bob Beamon type race.
It not set in stone that Kenenisa is going to tear of the starting line at sub 12:50 pace-or are you a pacesetter and know differently?
The phrase "he has xxx speed" bothers me. Its like saying I'm in 14:55 shape. Ok cool, go run 14:55 then.
Until race results show otherwise, Alan is the superior miler and Kenny is the superior 5k/10k runner. End of.
[quote]Vipam wrote:
....was to grab attention...[quote]
Above, Vipam lays out his true intent behind every single one of his posts.
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oh come on. "Do battle"? Webbs the man and all, but bekele is bekele. You of all people vipam, im surprised u wrote that.
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vipam dont worm your way around it. you aren't a journalist or a reviewer. you're just a guy on a message board making a post. if you want to be taking seriously, try to put a little effort into coherence or at least say something besides regurgitating an iaaf article. the whether-webb-will-break-13:00 thread has already been done many times over.
once again: Vipam=idiot.
I think its funny that somehow predicting that KB would break the world record in the 10 and 5k was some sort of miracle pick. Like the vegas odds were 100/1 on him breaking the record.
Second, everyone keeps talking about Alan Webbs speed and how KB doesn't have his speed... who gives a shit, KB doesn't need Webbs speed to have a 33 second faster 5k pr. The only time that race is close is the first 200 meters, considering thats the distance KB is currently beating Webb by.
In all reality, Webb will most likely be a sub 13 5ker, but thats still light years from 12:37, and no final quarter kick is going to take you from 12:58 to 12:37... even if you handed off to Jeremy Wariner with one lap to go.
There is no comparison betweeen Webb and KB... because as it stands, KB is way better than Webb. KB ran a 4:01, on a 11 lap to the mile, super tight indoor track, in his first race of the year... wow, yea, he's really slow... considering his 5k is 3 x 4:03... but you guys actually think that he can't run faster than a 4:01...hmmmmm.
Motram and Webb are fairly comparible, but I'll give the edge to Motram, because he's more experienced in the big time races where webb has faltered... otherwise, i'd say they're pretty close....
With all that being said, its going to take webb at least 2 shots at the 5k to break the record, but I'm hoping to see a 3:29 this year, I think that would be more impressive...
Webb ran a faster mile in high school than Bob Kennedy ever did. I have a huge amount of respect for Kennedy and his accomplishmnets but he was not in the same physiological class as Webb. Webb ran a 3:53 mile in high school, Kennedy ran a 4:05 1600 in high school and had a career pr of 3:56 I believe. Webb ran a 47 400 in high school, Kennedy has a 400 pr of 52. Webb has already shown that his endurance is close to Kennedy's with a 10k of 27:34, I am by no means saying that Webb is as aerobically strong as Kennedy was in 95/96/97, but it's not a question of if Webb will go under 12:58, it's a question of when. A rabbited, well set up race that goes through 3k in 7:45ish in Europe this summer with Webb breaking 12:58 is very likely.
....Webb has better speed than Bekele?!!... What planet are you from.
Watch this space this summer... Given that its a non-championship year, I think we may see Bekele dramatically changing some of his lower distance PR's... I reackon that he's good for 3.30 at 1,500 or even below if he prepares right.... Could be interesting!
Giddy wrote:
In all reality, Webb will most likely be a sub 13 5ker, but thats still light years from 12:37, and no final quarter kick is going to take you from 12:58 to 12:37... even if you handed off to Jeremy Wariner with one lap to go...
Actually, it would get you pretty close, and that's a race I'd pay to see. Say Webb brings it through the 4600 mark on pace in 11:55-6 and passes the baton to Wariner. Yeah, I'd pay for that, to see Bekele run like a man hunted.
I think the post about Bekele's olympic silver was interesting. I'm fairly confident that if webb were in the position El Guerroj was in, he would outkick bekele. Getting to that position though, well, not very likely.
Webb is not EL G. Webb cant kick with the milers. Bekele closed in 57 at the end of a 10k. Bekele does 10k training, IF bekele trained as miler, he would be a faster miler than webb can ever be.
c-mack wrote:
I think the post about Bekele's olympic silver was interesting. I'm fairly confident that if webb were in the position El Guerroj was in, he would outkick bekele. Getting to that position though, well, not very likely.
Wow. Bekele got outkicked by the greatest middle distance runner of all time. If by fairly confident, you mean very little chance. Give him some time - let him break 13:00 first...
Herdsman wrote:
....Webb has better speed than Bekele?!!... What planet are you from.
Actually this caught me as odd. Bekele closes like no one else!
Badass from a distance wrote:
....and if any of you had any balls you'd post your real names so I could track you down and whip your sorry asses for you. I mean it.
which makes your real last name "fromadistance"?
ho no! wrote:
Yeah, for a great example of Bekele's astounding kick against a solid miler, take a look at the 2004 Olympic 5k race.
i would hesistate to classify el G as a "solid miler."
plus, if you're comparing him to webb as justification for why webb can outkick KB...then you're being silly.