Remember the Fancy Bears doping leak?

ZatopekWasTheLastCleanMedalist wrote:

Not denying that there were fast performances but they were rare (maybe 1-2 fast 5ks on the DL circuit per year) which I think fits with some offseason doping in remote locations (e.g. Almaz Ayana) with a shorter peak. I also want to clarify that I'm not guaranteeing that NOP was clean. I think my point is more that Farah was very very very clearly doping with Jama Aden and the fact that he felt the need to leave NOP for training camps in Spain/Morocco and then pretend he was somewhere else at least gives me some confidence that NOP wasn't on a Jama Aden-esque EPO regimen. I think it might be accurate to say that Salazar is responsible for much of the success of US running spost-NOP using gray area (thyroid meds) or straight up micro-dosing methods. However, nobody can convince me Farah wasn't as dirty as Dibaba and the rest of the Jama Aden cohort unless we're supposed to believe Jama Aden was using all of that therapeutic EPO on himself at their training camps.

ZatopekWasTheLastCleanMedalist wrote:

This is why I think the ~2008 to ~2015 period looks like the cleanest period in a long while for the sport. Things are muddy now with the influence of shoes. It's funny how during that period there was lots of complaining about nobody trying to run fast or chase records. Lots of sit and kick races. Maybe, just maybe, it was never realistic for runners to go out and chase records every week on the DL circuit and especially not in WC/OLY races with everything on the line without having some chemical assistance. From memory, almost all of the "dominant" runners in that period are known/highly likely dopers. Remember the mysterious Kenyan 1500 collapse at every championship? We all wondered why the Ethiopian 10k teams didn't just run away from Mo Farah (not saying he was clean either). If I had to guess, the testing was ahead of doping in that period. I will never forget watching Genzebe Dibaba run a 3:50 1500 in Monaco (in old spikes) and knowing doping was back. I'm probably off but, in my memory, that was right around when doping won and then the Rio Olympics made a mockery of the sport. I still believe NOP and Rupp (NOT Farah with his special trips to Spain/Morocco) were absolutely pushing the limits of what was allowable without crossing the line and barely reaching the top level of the sport until that stopped being enough and the squeaky clean Bowerman Babes started collecting records and medals. Before widespread EPO usage and ~2008 to ~2015 look strangely similar compared to the times between and since...

ZatopekWasTheLastCleanMedalist wrote:

Not denying that there were fast performances but they were rare (maybe 1-2 fast 5ks on the DL circuit per year) which I think fits with some offseason doping in remote locations (e.g. Almaz Ayana) with a shorter peak. I also want to clarify that I'm not guaranteeing that NOP was clean. I think my point is more that Farah was very very very clearly doping with Jama Aden and the fact that he felt the need to leave NOP for training camps in Spain/Morocco and then pretend he was somewhere else at least gives me some confidence that NOP wasn't on a Jama Aden-esque EPO regimen. I think it might be accurate to say that Salazar is responsible for much of the success of US running spost-NOP using gray area (thyroid meds) or straight up micro-dosing methods. However, nobody can convince me Farah wasn't as dirty as Dibaba and the rest of the Jama Aden cohort unless we're supposed to believe Jama Aden was using all of that therapeutic EPO on himself at their training camps.

colorunner123 wrote:

It has been about nine years since a leak of athlete data from the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) system occurred. This leak, which took place in 2016, implicated several top athletes across various sports, including long-distance runners. The data was reportedly hacked from databases held by anti-doping agencies, and was later made public by an entity calling itself Fancy Bears. The leak contained information on suspicious values in the biological passports of various athletes.

Several very prominent athletes identified in the leak -- Rita Jeptoo, Jemima Sumgong, and Wilson Kipsang -- have been banned for violating anti-doping rules.

Paula Radcliffe, whose marathon world records during the height of EPO use in the early 2000s are regarded by many as highly suspicious, was also mentioned.

Many other distance running stars, including several American standouts, were mentioned as "likely doping."

According to the leak, Evan Jager, Galen Rupp and Mo Farah were likely doping. Henrik
Ingebrigtsen's passport was "suspicious." Jakob Ingebrigtsen was only about 15 years old at the time and was not mentioned.

See

Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2017/07/say-aint-...

Draw your own conclusions.

Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:

ZatopekWasTheLastCleanMedalist wrote:

Not denying that there were fast performances but they were rare (maybe 1-2 fast 5ks on the DL circuit per year) which I think fits with some offseason doping in remote locations (e.g. Almaz Ayana) with a shorter peak. I also want to clarify that I'm not guaranteeing that NOP was clean. I think my point is more that Farah was very very very clearly doping with Jama Aden and the fact that he felt the need to leave NOP for training camps in Spain/Morocco and then pretend he was somewhere else at least gives me some confidence that NOP wasn't on a Jama Aden-esque EPO regimen. I think it might be accurate to say that Salazar is responsible for much of the success of US running spost-NOP using gray area (thyroid meds) or straight up micro-dosing methods. However, nobody can convince me Farah wasn't as dirty as Dibaba and the rest of the Jama Aden cohort unless we're supposed to believe Jama Aden was using all of that therapeutic EPO on himself at their training camps.

This 100%.

ZatopekWasTheLastCleanMedalist wrote:

This is why I think the ~2008 to ~2015 period looks like the cleanest period in a long while for the sport. Things are muddy now with the influence of shoes. It's funny how during that period there was lots of complaining about nobody trying to run fast or chase records. Lots of sit and kick races. Maybe, just maybe, it was never realistic for runners to go out and chase records every week on the DL circuit and especially not in WC/OLY races with everything on the line without having some chemical assistance. From memory, almost all of the "dominant" runners in that period are known/highly likely dopers. Remember the mysterious Kenyan 1500 collapse at every championship? We all wondered why the Ethiopian 10k teams didn't just run away from Mo Farah (not saying he was clean either). If I had to guess, the testing was ahead of doping in that period. I will never forget watching Genzebe Dibaba run a 3:50 1500 in Monaco (in old spikes) and knowing doping was back. I'm probably off but, in my memory, that was right around when doping won and then the Rio Olympics made a mockery of the sport. I still believe NOP and Rupp (NOT Farah with his special trips to Spain/Morocco) were absolutely pushing the limits of what was allowable without crossing the line and barely reaching the top level of the sport until that stopped being enough and the squeaky clean Bowerman Babes started collecting records and medals. Before widespread EPO usage and ~2008 to ~2015 look strangely similar compared to the times between and since...