An American Record, which shall be the best performance made by an American citizen or relay team composed entirely of U.S. citizens in an athletics event made within the United States or abroad.
Giving it to Lagat is the dumbest thing in the World. It is like when someone is converted to a religion after death by people in that religion so the dead person can get into Heaven. That is idiotic!
This is the same thing. Lagat's paperwork is not what makes him "the best runner America has ever produced over 1500m," oh, wait, he wasn't American!
Great to see the US 1500 record by an ACTUAL American and not one that changed nationality (especially having represented the other nation for years).
Can the four people who downvoted this guy's comment explain why? Lagat's story is the epitome of what is wrong with this system. Someone who is not an American should not be allowed to set American records. Since Lagat was racing for Kenya after the result in question, I don't see how this is up for debate.
Can the downvoters explain their thinking?
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I am guessing people downvoted that comment because it is celebrating something that is not going to happen. Nuguse ran the North American Area Record "AR" (). Nuguse ran the fastest time under allegiance to the US. Nuguse ran the American Record in the alternative universe in which USATF had had the foresight to correct the rulebook in 2003 rather than 2019 (or in the alternative universe in which no one knew that Bernard Lagat was an American Citizen in August 2004 and no one ammended the record book in 2018 to give him the record). But Nuguse did not beat the American Record as determined by the USATF (). Unless USATF decides to retroactively clean up their record list or make two lists (e.g. American Record and an alternative "American Citizen Record"), Nuguse will need to run under 3:27.40 in order for USATF to recognize him as the American Record holder. I agree that you should be eligible to compete for the US in order to set an American Record (and I think that this rule should apply even to performances before 2019), but USATF ratifies American Records, not me.
Great to see the US 1500 record by an ACTUAL American and not one that changed nationality (especially having represented the other nation for years).
Can the four people who downvoted this guy's comment explain why? Lagat's story is the epitome of what is wrong with this system. Someone who is not an American should not be allowed to set American records. Since Lagat was racing for Kenya after the result in question, I don't see how this is up for debate.
Can the downvoters explain their thinking?
I downvoted it because Lagat is most definitely not “the epitome of what’s wrong with the system” but one of it not the greatest American distance runners ever.
His 3:27.40 should not be the American record, though. We agree on that.
Wayne from Winnetka wrote: Nuguse ran the North American Area Record "AR"
Ran a continental = AR = NACAC area in this case = North, Central American and Caribbean record. "North American" only speaking and writing in short.
Also calling US record as AR is really stupid and only creates confusion. The whole world agreed on NR.
These are the rules, you like or not. You can also make your separate North American lists for the US and Canada only, but sorry, what for? Because Bolt, Shaunae Miller-Uibo and others are laughing.
If you want to be really pedantic, World Athletics should call it the Northern American, Central American and Caribbean Athletic Association. The United Nations formally recognizes "North America" as comprising three areas: Northern America, Central America, and the Caribbean.
I love Lagat, but I don’t see how a time he ran right before representing Kenya in the Olympics could be considered an American record just because he secretly gained US citizenship that year.
And if his new citizenship was public, I don’t know if the IOC or Athletics Kenya would have allowed him to run for Kenya (or the US) that year. I’m glad he ran. It was a great race.
I understand why he didn’t let it publicly known.
For that matter, he ran his 3:29.30 in 2005 that was ratified as a US record, but he was not allowed to represent the US in that year’s World Championship.
The photo for the photo finish favors Kejelcha. Problem is his forward shoulder(right) is closer to the camera, whereas Kiplimo's(left) is obscured by his body. Kiplimo might have won with a different angle.
The following are the national records in track and field in the United States. Some of the records are maintained by USA Track & Field (USATF). Outdoor times for track races between 200 meters to 10,000 meters are set on 400...
Great to see the US 1500 record by an ACTUAL American and not one that changed nationality (especially having represented the other nation for years).
The only defining marker of an "actual" American is their citizenship. That's the whole point of the United States.
The USATF told Lagat to run for Kenya even though he had already become a U.S. citizen. The reason: It would take them months to process the paperwork. The new rule now is, once citizenship is granted by a government an athlete can officially set records for a country. Paperwork delays notwithstanding.
It seems that USATF considers 3:27.40 the record (ridiculous) while World Athletics considers Nuguse’s 3:29.02 the new North American record. So I’m going with the international governing body, and Nuguse’s time will now have an “AR” beside it on his WA page which is good enough for me.
The message boards may be responsible for this. Too bad USATF didn't apply the new rules retroactively. There was a hurdles record like this too I think.
According to milesplit, Mondo’s 6.05 will be ratified as the American Record since he is an American citizen, even though he competes for Sweden. Thoughts?
Part of the reason it wasn't ratified was because Lagat didn't announce he was a US citizen until 2005. Kenya didn't recognize dual citizenship so he would have potentially lost his Kenyan citizenship for the 2004 Olympics.
Julien Wanders: Dual French and Swiss Citizen. I just checked Wiki, and Wanders is listed (both) as the French and Swiss record holder in the 10,000 (27:17) and Half marathon (59:13). So he is a record holder in two countries. He's on both Wikipedia pages. Caveat: Wanders chooses to race for Switzerland where he was born, I believe to a Swiss father and French mother.
I'm not sure that's quite what AR(p) means. I think it just means it's not ratified yet (because of course it's not, it happened today).
P means provisional im fairly sure. Jakob has the same one next to his time as well. It will be removed once it is officially ratified which usually takes a few months.
Great to see the US 1500 record by an ACTUAL American and not one that changed nationality (especially having represented the other nation for years).
The only defining marker of an "actual" American is their citizenship. That's the whole point of the United States.
fair point - it doesn’t help Lagat’s 3:27, nonetheless. He was competing for Kenya at the time. I don’t understand why USATF want to ratify in those circumstances (though then again, this is a federation that pushed through 10.49….)
