I love Noah Droddy’s Training. Just hard work, no designer workouts

HRE wrote:

Regular&Standard wrote:

What are "designer" workouts?

It's an interesting term. Something I've noticed about interval sessions over the decades is that they've gotten away from the straightforward things like the sessions of 400s, or 200s, or miles or 800s that we used to do and have been replaced with sort of, I don't know, "hybrid" intervals, e.g, a mile, a jog, a 20 minute tempo, back to the track for 3-4 x 400, or some such thing. I immediately took the term to mean sessions like the second example.

Yup, Designer Workouts

HRE wrote:

Regular&Standard wrote:

What are "designer" workouts?

It's an interesting term. Something I've noticed about interval sessions over the decades is that they've gotten away from the straightforward things like the sessions of 400s, or 200s, or miles or 800s that we used to do and have been replaced with sort of, I don't know, "hybrid" intervals, e.g, a mile, a jog, a 20 minute tempo, back to the track for 3-4 x 400, or some such thing. I immediately took the term to mean sessions like the second example.

HRE - as I understand it, Dellinger was doing combo workouts as you describe dating back to the late 70s. Warhurst as well has been doing that stuff for decades.

Moby wrote:

HRE wrote:

It's an interesting term. Something I've noticed about interval sessions over the decades is that they've gotten away from the straightforward things like the sessions of 400s, or 200s, or miles or 800s that we used to do and have been replaced with sort of, I don't know, "hybrid" intervals, e.g, a mile, a jog, a 20 minute tempo, back to the track for 3-4 x 400, or some such thing. I immediately took the term to mean sessions like the second example.

HRE - as I understand it, Dellinger was doing combo workouts as you describe dating back to the late 70s. Warhurst as well has been doing that stuff for decades.

You mean Holmer or Lydiard Fartlek (what my HS coach called them) and then 6 x 300m cut-downs when done?

Im starting to think this thread was started by his GF

Moby wrote:

HRE - as I understand it, Dellinger was doing combo workouts as you describe dating back to the late 70s. Warhurst as well has been doing that stuff for decades.

Oh yeah, definitely. And Igloi's sessions always had lots of different distances and efforts for their reps, different recoveries, sets of this, sets of that. But I think most people then just did straightforward sets with maybe a ladder session thrown in. The mixed sessions have become more common now from what I can tell and the straightforward stuff more rare. But one difference between the mixed kinds of sessions from the past and what seems common to me now is how coaches conceptualize those mixed sessions. I know of coaches who do them and explain the variations by saying things like "we're touching on every energy system in this workout." That's new and it is pretty designer like.

Break Down wrote:

I do think too many get caught up in hitting exact paces. Along with complex “workouts.”

Running is simple. Run harder 2-3 times a week, run a lot, and do it consistently.

Spot on. Some of the workouts I see people do are ridiculous, you need a maths doctorate to work them out.

Over40 wrote:

Break Down wrote:

I do think too many get caught up in hitting exact paces. Along with complex “workouts.”

Running is simple. Run harder 2-3 times a week, run a lot, and do it consistently.

Spot on. Some of the workouts I see people do are ridiculous, you need a maths doctorate to work them out.

Yup!

Ibuiltafart wrote:

Im starting to think this thread was started by his GF

Nope!

The "floats" callout is weird -- lots of people have done those for decades. The famous Oregon 30/40 workout is one example, but e.g. the Aussies were doing them back to at least the '80s.

Ho Hum wrote:

The "floats" callout is weird -- lots of people have done those for decades. The famous Oregon 30/40 workout is one example, but e.g. the Aussies were doing them back to at least the '80s.

But not every workout needs something fancy

Calendar is for a marathon?

It is laborious, methodical, and devoid of inspiration.

Like running a marathon.

Break Down wrote:

Running is simple. Run harder 2-3 times a week, run a lot, and do it consistently.

You can run simple and be smart about it.

"Harder 2-3 days a week"... for what purpose? What system are you trying to stress? What are you trying to improve? You should be able to answer those questions before every workout.

If asking those questions makes a workout 'designer', then I'm on board with it!

Sarah Williamson wrote:

Ho Hum wrote:

The "floats" callout is weird -- lots of people have done those for decades. The famous Oregon 30/40 workout is one example, but e.g. the Aussies were doing them back to at least the '80s.

But not every workout needs something fancy

A float is not fancy.

Yeah, all these rich kids with their Harvard sweaters and designer workouts, they can just go suck it. I'll just drink my PBR while sitting in the bed of my Chevy pickup after doing 60x400!

Good Will Running wrote:

Yeah, all these rich kids with their Harvard sweaters and designer workouts, they can just go suck it. I'll just drink my PBR while sitting in the bed of my Chevy pickup after doing 60x400!

Yup, enjoy your “floats” and 11 x 900m and trying to hard to figure out how to train when Noah is out there DOING THE WORK

Ho Hum wrote:

Sarah Williamson wrote:

But not every workout needs something fancy

A float is not fancy.

It’s too cute by half

macdaddy OG wrote:

Break Down wrote:

Running is simple. Run harder 2-3 times a week, run a lot, and do it consistently.

You can run simple and be smart about it.

"Harder 2-3 days a week"... for what purpose? What system are you trying to stress? What are you trying to improve? You should be able to answer those questions before every workout.

If asking those questions makes a workout 'designer', then I'm on board with it!

What is a Designer Workout? Think Tinman workouts, which obsesses about stimulus and all this mumbo jumbo when at the end of the day what you’re doing is preparing proper for RACE PACE.

Designer workouts? Sounds like some made up Boomer strawman out of fear that their time has passed.

Common Sense FTW wrote:

Designer workouts? Sounds like some made up Boomer strawman out of fear that their time has passed.

It’s a good term? Like “Fetch”!