Ex-competitive distance runner turned crossfitter won’t get out of his vehicle, gets tased, then eats it from the police.

The situation is sad. Too bad the guy was tragically out of his mind on drugs, and was barely phased by the taser or first round of bullets.

I'm surprised the officer was so accurate with his shot. With a gas station in such close proximity, things could've been a lot more unfortunate.

Unfortunate but completely justifiable use of force.

The victim had just been released from prison and a halfway house for drug related offenses. It's terribly sad that we don't have better ways of handling addiction and mental health treatment. The victim is now dead, his family is sad, and the officers will probably experience major long-term physical and emotional stress.

Uncle Rico wrote:

The situation is sad. Too bad the guy was tragically out of his mind on drugs, and was barely phased by the taser or first round of bullets.

I'm surprised the officer was so accurate with his shot. With a gas station in such close proximity, things could've been a lot more unfortunate.

Unfortunate but completely justifiable use of force.

The victim had just been released from prison and a halfway house for drug related offenses. It's terribly sad that we don't have better ways of handling addiction and mental health treatment. The victim is now dead, his family is sad, and the officers will probably experience major long-term physical and emotional stress.

Agree, a tragedy. The police were justified in this case. That cop took a beating before resorting to lethal force.

The video does raise some real questions though. Namely why are white men so violent? They are uncivilized animals based on this and many other incidents. Maybe it’s a problem with their culture?

Salt spray wrote:

Roso. wrote:

Dangerous yes, but not hard to do without fatalities on either side. The taser just made him mad and a lot more dangerous. If he was pepper sprayed in his car the situation could have easily been diffused. I don’t blame the police, it’s their training and taught protocols that are the issue.

What if the police had pepper sprayed the suspect and the suspect then drove his car?

What if police had used a taser and then the suspect drove his car? It’s a calculated risk.

This video makes me want to become a police officer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ta5ahB-6w

Why is nobody talking about his running times or what college he ran for, training miles, what type of shoes he runs in etc...?

Was this guy really an ex-runner?

Mental Health wrote:

I dont understand why they followed him to his car. He seemed to be walking off whatever was on his mind. The cop kept telling him to come here when the guy was walking away. He was not fleeing.

Then when he got tased of course he was pissed. He snapped.

Define "good"? This isnt "good". A potentially destructive human being was working through his emotions until the police provoked it again. It looks like this ended with a human tragedy. How is that "so good"?

A guy who was peacefully working off his issues got attacked and murdered by the usual gang of thugs.

Roso. wrote:

sparrowhawkes wrote:

he just tased the guy 10 seconds earlier and it failed. what would pepper spray achieve that the taser didn't? tasers are a higher level of force than spray and now the guy isn't just fighting with his fists, he's armed with a metal club. where are the rubber bullets coming from?? you think the cop should carry pepper spray, a taser, a baton, a gun, and also a gun that shoots rubber bullets, too? anything else you'd like batman to have on his utility belt? shark repellent maybe?

Pepper spray would have rendered him useless, unable to see and harm. He then could have been wrestled to the floor if 4 present or tasered at this point. This stuff is not hard.

I'd like to see you weigh your options thoughtfully and calmly while a guy with a club is swinging at your head, already had been tased, continued to fight. You're absolutely certain pepper spray and another taser are going to stop him before your head is soup?

A violent scourge on society isn't here any more. Move on.

Robo. wrote:

Man that was hard to watch. The guy was complicit in escalating that, but the flurry of bullets was so unnecessary. Why not pepper spray or use rubber bullets. Sad, we don’t know the circumstances around the guys actions. Glad I don’t live in the US.

He was already tased and was hyper violent. I would not trust pepper spray or rubber bullets (LOL) to stop this guy before he caved a skull in with his club. 10 bullets because you shoot until you're 100% certain the threat is neutralized. AKA, man down. You want to have only clipped him and have him continue coming after you?

The video does raise some real questions though. Namely why are white men so violent? They are uncivilized animals based on this and many other incidents. Maybe it’s a problem with their culture?

I think the gene pool isn't great over in the states. The British/Europeans who went over there to invade were obviously highly aggressive. Self selecting for that role. This explains the murdering and raping of the Americans, the gun culture , and the treatment of blacks. Almost all of white America now are descendents from these thugs. There are some carribean islands which are mostly black- this is because the whites came to the island, murdered the natives, then brought loads of blacks over to be slaves, and left them to it.

Similarly look what the white invaders did to South Africa which is probably as bad as USA for violence and racism.

The poor bloat was just looking for a place to lay down and get some much needed rest, and he ends up dead. He's only true crime was probably working out too hard at the crossfit box.

We've all been there. Slighty disoriented after a productive workout. Exhausted and dihydrated, looking for massage and a place to recoup. Someone calls the law and claims you're trespassing. Acting on bad Intel, the cops overact.

Also, this would not have happened if those cops were fit enough to keep up.

GH wrote:

Roso. wrote:

Pepper spray would have rendered him useless, unable to see and harm. He then could have been wrestled to the floor if 4 present or tasered at this point. This stuff is not hard.

I'd like to see you weigh your options thoughtfully and calmly while a guy with a club is swinging at your head, already had been tased, continued to fight. You're absolutely certain pepper spray and another taser are going to stop him before your head is soup?

A violent scourge on society isn't here any more. Move on.

They are trained to thoughtfully and calmly diffuse the situation without death resulting, or at least that is the case in other countries. Paris has seen riots every Saturday since November and no one has been gunned down like this despite much higher levels of provocation. This is a poor and totally unnecessary outcome.

NG wrote:

Robo. wrote:

Man that was hard to watch. The guy was complicit in escalating that, but the flurry of bullets was so unnecessary. Why not pepper spray or use rubber bullets. Sad, we don’t know the circumstances around the guys actions. Glad I don’t live in the US.

He was already tased and was hyper violent. I would not trust pepper spray or rubber bullets (LOL) to stop this guy before he caved a skull in with his club. 10 bullets because you shoot until you're 100% certain the threat is neutralized. AKA, man down. You want to have only clipped him and have him continue coming after you?

Dude was not the terminator, a rubber bullet would have stopped him. As for pepper stray, if you take away someone’s sight then you have the upper hand and can avoid harm to officers.

Roso. wrote:

GH wrote:

I'd like to see you weigh your options thoughtfully and calmly while a guy with a club is swinging at your head, already had been tased, continued to fight. You're absolutely certain pepper spray and another taser are going to stop him before your head is soup?

A violent scourge on society isn't here any more. Move on.

They are trained to thoughtfully and calmly diffuse the situation without death resulting, or at least that is the case in other countries. Paris has seen riots every Saturday since November and no one has been gunned down like this despite much higher levels of provocation. This is a poor and totally unnecessary outcome.

The US doesn't have to deal with riots like they do, I wonder why?

Roso. wrote:

GH wrote:

I'd like to see you weigh your options thoughtfully and calmly while a guy with a club is swinging at your head, already had been tased, continued to fight. You're absolutely certain pepper spray and another taser are going to stop him before your head is soup?

A violent scourge on society isn't here any more. Move on.

They are trained to thoughtfully and calmly diffuse the situation without death resulting, or at least that is the case in other countries. Paris has seen riots every Saturday since November and no one has been gunned down like this despite much higher levels of provocation. This is a poor and totally unnecessary outcome.

Did we watch the same video? Officer calmly asked the man several times to stop and talk. Dude ignored, attempted to flee in a vehicle, got non-lethal (taze) treatment, then became hyper violent and erratic using a deadly weapon. How much nicer to the cops need to be? The type of person who is capable of this: do you think they're going down without further escalation? You want them on the streets?

GH wrote:

Roso. wrote:

They are trained to thoughtfully and calmly diffuse the situation without death resulting, or at least that is the case in other countries. Paris has seen riots every Saturday since November and no one has been gunned down like this despite much higher levels of provocation. This is a poor and totally unnecessary outcome.

Did we watch the same video? Officer calmly asked the man several times to stop and talk. Dude ignored, attempted to flee in a vehicle, got non-lethal (taze) treatment, then became hyper violent and erratic using a deadly weapon. How much nicer to the cops need to be? The type of person who is capable of this: do you think they're going down without further escalation? You want them on the streets?

It is not about being nice, or how the officer dealt with it right up till the end. The sole criticism was the need for the flurry of bullets to resolve the situation. There are other options as almost every other country display to a high level of success. This is not Call of Duty, that man is gone now, with no chance to rectify his issues or turn his life around.

I hope you are kidding. The guy brought all this on himself. The police absolutely did the right thing. I’m sure his own family is glad he is dead. Ex con just out of jail two days and already high as a kite and ready to do some serious damage to a police officer. He would have killed the cop the way he was swinging baton. People that are saying they should have use pepper spray, rubber bullets or shoot him in the legs are nuts. This guy already was tased and it didn’t slow him down a bit. It was escalating. If you attack a cop you deserve whatever happens to you. Like I said in a earlier post “good riddance “. He will not be missed.

Fred Gwynne wrote:

I hope you are kidding. The guy brought all this on himself. The police absolutely did the right thing. I’m sure his own family is glad he is dead. Ex con just out of jail two days and already high as a kite and ready to do some serious damage to a police officer. He would have killed the cop the way he was swinging baton. People that are saying they should have use pepper spray, rubber bullets or shoot him in the legs are nuts. This guy already was tased and it didn’t slow him down a bit. It was escalating. If you attack a cop you deserve whatever happens to you. Like I said in a earlier post “good riddance “. He will not be missed.

The police action was justifiable, but you seem like a sanctimonious ass. I doubt you will be missed either, once you're gone.

I’m sorry to say that the suspect was out of control (meth? hallucinogens?); officers had few options. Although it almost certainly would have not come to this in many countries, nevertheless we’re in America. We have issues with violence, absolutely. The officer theoretically could have achieved a better result, but he is blameless in terms of professionalism.