All-time Time Machine Championship Results - Men's 5000m

Where dafuq is Yifter The Shifter?

No way in hell that prime Mo Farah is only 13th in a championship race. I'd put him 5th at worst.

No way that Bernard Lagat would be that far back. How come some get their pr and others are way back from it? Bernard Lagat closed in 51 seconds in a 12:59 victory over Bekele at his peak.

Hicham El Guerrouj would absolutely be in there sub 12:50. Solinsky at his peak would be in there under 12:55 (his pr).

snow blow wrote:

No way in hell that prime Mo Farah is only 13th in a championship race. I'd put him 5th at worst.

This is most likely scenario. I think he'd race for the win and not race for 5th. If he raced for 5th, maybe he gets 5th.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

No way that Bernard Lagat would be that far back. How come some get their pr and others are way back from it? Bernard Lagat closed in 51 seconds in a 12:59 victory over Bekele at his peak.

Hicham El Guerrouj would absolutely be in there sub 12:50. Solinsky at his peak would be in there under 12:55 (his pr).

El G didn't enter in the time machine 5k, concentrated on the 1500. Solinsky doesn't make the final. Who would you bump from the final for Solinsky, despite is 12:55 PR?

formerbosox9yo wrote:

snow blow wrote:

No way in hell that prime Mo Farah is only 13th in a championship race. I'd put him 5th at worst.

This is most likely scenario. I think he'd race for the win and not race for 5th. If he raced for 5th, maybe he gets 5th.

Mo Farah is almost certainly the best long-distance racer in history. He never used more energy than he had to and still crushed everyone year after year. He wouldn’t get dropped, he wouldn’t blow up, and he wouldn’t end up in 13th.

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

formerbosox9yo wrote:

This is most likely scenario. I think he'd race for the win and not race for 5th. If he raced for 5th, maybe he gets 5th.

Mo Farah is almost certainly the best long-distance racer in history. He never used more energy than he had to and still crushed everyone year after year. He wouldn’t get dropped, he wouldn’t blow up, and he wouldn’t end up in 13th.

To me he hasn't really proven that he can run mid 12:40s comfortably (probably has to demonstrate a little faster considering doing factors). Happy to adjust if you have some detailed analysis showing me he can keep up with bekele all thinga being equal.

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

Mo Farah is almost certainly the best long-distance racer in history. He never used more energy than he had to and still crushed everyone year after year. He wouldn’t get dropped, he wouldn’t blow up, and he wouldn’t end up in 13th.

To me he hasn't really proven that he can run mid 12:40s comfortably (probably has to demonstrate a little faster considering doing factors). Happy to adjust if you have some detailed analysis showing me he can keep up with bekele all thinga being equal.

Can you read? I didn’t say anything about 12:40s. I didn’t say anything about Bekele. I said Mo Farah wouldn’t end up in 13th place. Can you please address my post instead of talking to yourself?

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

formerbosox9yo wrote:

To me he hasn't really proven that he can run mid 12:40s comfortably (probably has to demonstrate a little faster considering doing factors). Happy to adjust if you have some detailed analysis showing me he can keep up with bekele all thinga being equal.

Can you read? I didn’t say anything about 12:40s. I didn’t say anything about Bekele. I said Mo Farah wouldn’t end up in 13th place. Can you please address my post instead of talking to yourself?

Remember, everything is taken into account, including heart, balls, and drive. It was determined that 4th-12th place wouldn't matter to Mo, only medals, and he'd most likely run for a medal. To him 9th and 15th are essentially the same. He finished in 13th in the most likely scenario.

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

Can you read? I didn’t say anything about 12:40s. I didn’t say anything about Bekele. I said Mo Farah wouldn’t end up in 13th place. Can you please address my post instead of talking to yourself?

Remember, everything is taken into account, including heart, balls, and drive. It was determined that 4th-12th place wouldn't matter to Mo, only medals, and he'd most likely run for a medal. To him 9th and 15th are essentially the same. He finished in 13th in the most likely scenario.

And I’m telling you that Mo Farah is the greatest racer in history. He wouldn’t blow up. He would run for a medal and he probably wouldn’t get one but he would most certainly get the highest place possible for his fitness.

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Remember, everything is taken into account, including heart, balls, and drive. It was determined that 4th-12th place wouldn't matter to Mo, only medals, and he'd most likely run for a medal. To him 9th and 15th are essentially the same. He finished in 13th in the most likely scenario.

And I’m telling you that Mo Farah is the greatest racer in history. He wouldn’t blow up. He would run for a medal and he probably wouldn’t get one but he would most certainly get the highest place possible for his fitness.

Please demonstrate to me where Mo has gotten the highest possible place for his fitness while running for a medal, and failing, and I'll factor that data into the analysis and see where he finishes. I couldn't find it. Cheers.

I'll bite. Komen makes it fast from relatively early.

1. Kenny

2. Geb

3. Mo

4. Komen

5. Hicham

6. Lagat

7. Kipchoge

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

And I’m telling you that Mo Farah is the greatest racer in history. He wouldn’t blow up. He would run for a medal and he probably wouldn’t get one but he would most certainly get the highest place possible for his fitness.

Please demonstrate to me where Mo has gotten the highest possible place for his fitness while running for a medal, and failing, and I'll factor that data into the analysis and see where he finishes. I couldn't find it. Cheers.

Well you clearly didn’t look very hard. Mo Farah goes up against Bekele, Lagat, Kipchoge, etc. in their prime, takes the lead during the last lap (IIRC), and gets a respectable 7th.

Now how would Mo Farah do in his prime? 13th? Are you still refusing to change your obviously wrong answer?

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Please demonstrate to me where Mo has gotten the highest possible place for his fitness while running for a medal, and failing, and I'll factor that data into the analysis and see where he finishes. I couldn't find it. Cheers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_World_Championships_in_Athletics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_5000_metres

Well you clearly didn’t look very hard. Mo Farah goes up against Bekele, Lagat, Kipchoge, etc. in their prime, takes the lead during the last lap (IIRC), and gets a respectable 7th.

Now how would Mo Farah do in his prime? 13th? Are you still refusing to change your obviously wrong answer?

7th in 2009 doesn't translate to 7th when you add in all the other all time runners. 13th (in a very fast time) makes sense in that context

That race was also a 13:17 race, not 12:44 race. Obviously he'll get hurt more at a 12:44 pace, then throw a bunch of other all time greats ahead of him to push him back a few spots to 13th.

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_World_Championships_in_Athletics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_5000_metres

Well you clearly didn’t look very hard. Mo Farah goes up against Bekele, Lagat, Kipchoge, etc. in their prime, takes the lead during the last lap (IIRC), and gets a respectable 7th.

Now how would Mo Farah do in his prime? 13th? Are you still refusing to change your obviously wrong answer?

7th in 2009 doesn't translate to 7th when you add in all the other all time runners. 13th (in a very fast time) makes sense in that context

2009 Mo Farah could hang with prime Bekele, Lagat, and Kipchoge. Farah’s peak was 2011-2017. The only way you could possibly justify LOWERING his ranking is by saying he didn’t improve from 2009 to his peak at all.

Do you honestly believe Mo Farah was at his peak in 2009?

This whole list is trippy. How is Salah Hissou 5th? He won one WC gold at 5K and zero olympic golds. And T. Bekele 6th? He's never even won a medal at 5K. Farah won 3 WC golds and 2 Olympic golds over 5K. How would those guys possibly beat Farah?

Where are Ron Clarke, Viren, Yifter? And Pre?

can't see them wrote:

Where are Ron Clarke, Viren, Yifter? And Pre?

Only 3 from a country, and Pre wasn't even close on the top 10 american 5k runner thread used to select team USA (lagat, solinsky, kennedy). others didn't make the finals for this meet