Am I have to say about this thread is that DiscoGary is unhinged.
Am I have to say about this thread is that DiscoGary is unhinged.
One person's rights end where another person's begin. Republicans / Conservatives believe in individual rights being protected (Liberals agree on this point). Recently this has been applied to corporate rights also such that corporations have a say in what their employees say and do both at work and beyond in Supreme Court rulings. This extends to social media platforms, churches, etc.. They do not have to let people in who violate their policies and beliefs (Colorado wedding cake).
Freedom of speech: This allows an individual to say what they want without committing a crime (limits apply if they stomp on other's rights). It does not mean you are allowed to do it on any platform you choose. You can't walk onto your neighbor's lawn with a bullhorn and start yelling into their windows about how much you hate them. You can't swear like a sailor on prime time television.
Freedom of Religion: This means that everyone is free to practice the religion of their choice (as long as it does not infringe on other's rights - see a theme here?). That also means that people cannot be prevented from practicing their religion of choice by someone else who disagrees. This is the primary reason that the Founding Fathers did not name a specific religion in any official documents.
Private entities are largely allowed to decide what goes on inside their walls. A Christian school does not have to admit someone who does not believe in Christianity. A company that makes beef does not have to hire a guy who's LinkedTwitFace handle is "MilitantVegan". A company with an environmental mission does not have to hire a climate change denier. And LinkedTwitFace does not have to allow content by people to break their legally stated policies.
Does the Government give money to corporations? Of course. They bailed out banks that failed at banking. They have supported oil companies interests with the US military all over the world. They consistently have supported farming, commercial stores, solar, computer companies, car companies, even social media companies. They are not "picking winners" they are seeding industries that employ people and that is good for the overall well being of the country. It not just going to "liberal" or "conservative" industries, it is going to almost all industries in the US.
FFF wrote:
DG, give it a rest. I was a newspaper guy for more than a dozen years, I understand free speech, censorship, and the first amendment very well. The second, too. I had a camera, and had people shooting at me. I get all that.
The topic here is a carnival barker who's gone too far. The towns won't let him park his trailer at the fairgrounds any more. Jones can continue to host his videos at a million other places. My servers, included. There's no censorship here, this is the invisible hand of the free market the Republicans love so much, until it pushes them out of the way.
Jones is about to be ground into dust thanks to his inflammatory comments, and these companies fleeing from him are simply covering their butts, as business are allowed to do. I agree there are lots of other idiots posting videos on YouTube. Personally, I avoid them by NOT PLAYING THEM.
You know it's funny but this is the same argument I heard 30 years ago when I pointed out that the media had a hard core Liberal bias. My Liberal friends told me that is was just market forces, and that if there was a market for conservative ideas someone would certainly fill the void and cash in, right? No one did for decades. Well, government repealed the equal time laws which were used to stifle conservative discussions and immediately Limbaugh appeared and proved that there WAS a market and there was big money to be made, and that led to Fox News which proved that there was a bigger market and even bigger money to be made. The MSM still hasn't tried to capture that market because they aren't driven by market forces. They are run by Liberal partisans who put politics above profit. That's what these social media giants are doing.
Now that Liberals have discarded liberalism and become blacklisting fascists we will now see what happens to their companies. It will not stop with Alex Jones. Hopefully Trump will refuse to sign any bill with a contract involving any of these companies. That would get them into line quickly. The good news is that this will force competitors to pop up as long as government doesn't shut them down.
DiscoGary wrote:
FFF wrote:
DG, give it a rest. I was a newspaper guy for more than a dozen years, I understand free speech, censorship, and the first amendment very well. The second, too. I had a camera, and had people shooting at me. I get all that.
The topic here is a carnival barker who's gone too far. The towns won't let him park his trailer at the fairgrounds any more. Jones can continue to host his videos at a million other places. My servers, included. There's no censorship here, this is the invisible hand of the free market the Republicans love so much, until it pushes them out of the way.
Jones is about to be ground into dust thanks to his inflammatory comments, and these companies fleeing from him are simply covering their butts, as business are allowed to do. I agree there are lots of other idiots posting videos on YouTube. Personally, I avoid them by NOT PLAYING THEM.
You know it's funny but this is the same argument I heard 30 years ago when I pointed out that the media had a hard core Liberal bias. My Liberal friends told me that is was just market forces, and that if there was a market for conservative ideas someone would certainly fill the void and cash in, right? No one did for decades. Well, government repealed the equal time laws which were used to stifle conservative discussions and immediately Limbaugh appeared and proved that there WAS a market and there was big money to be made, and that led to Fox News which proved that there was a bigger market and even bigger money to be made. The MSM still hasn't tried to capture that market because they aren't driven by market forces. They are run by Liberal partisans who put politics above profit. That's what these social media giants are doing.
Now that Liberals have discarded liberalism and become blacklisting fascists we will now see what happens to their companies. It will not stop with Alex Jones. Hopefully Trump will refuse to sign any bill with a contract involving any of these companies. That would get them into line quickly. The good news is that this will force competitors to pop up as long as government doesn't shut them down.
I repeat, you are unhinged. Seek help.
IndividualRights101 wrote:
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Republicans / Conservatives believe in individual rights being protected (Liberals agree on this point).
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No they don't. Liberals think that their moral outrage at what you are saying grants them the right to deprive you of your free speech rights. They call it "hate speech", and that's all they need to justify punching you in the face.
Also, I remember when the Hollywood Communist blacklisting days were portrayed as one of the darkest moments in our country's history. Well now we see our Liberal friends justifying exactly that kind of behavior with no concern whatsoever about where it might lead. OK, but they can't call themselves "liberal" anymore.
I repeat, unhinged wrote:
I repeat, you are unhinged. Seek help.
So much hate. So little blacklisting.
DiscoGary wrote:
No they don't. Liberals think that their moral outrage at what you are saying grants them the right to deprive you of your free speech rights. They call it "hate speech", and that's all they need to justify punching you in the face.
Thanks for supporting me!
DiscoGary wrote:
No they don't. Liberals think that their moral outrage at what you are saying grants them the right to deprive you of your free speech rights. They call it "hate speech", and that's all they need to justify punching you in the face.
Punching somebody in the face is assault. People who do that should be charged with a crime.
Did somebody punch Alex Jones in the face?
DiscoGary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I am no fan of banning free speech, but as I said earlier, these companies have every right to ban him. He can create his own broadcast company and broadcast that way if he likes. Jones is in a different situation than the others you mentioned as he isn't an employee of a broadcast company but relied on other avenues that he didn't control or work for.
If the government ever told any of those people, INCLUDING Jones that they couldn't broadcast or publish, then I would have a big problem with that.
So you think there was nothing wrong with the Hollywood blacklisting of suspected Communists because it was done by private companies? You are not bothered by this at all?
Who else should be blacklisted? Cmon guys. You’re usually quick to point out who the bad guys on the right are. Don’t get shy on me now. Put on your jack boots and tell us who to blacklist.
Should I be blacklisted?
Private companies (or public companies) can ban free speech as they see fit, yes. So, if a Hollywood studio doesn't want to hire someone for any reason, as long as it isn't illegal discrimination, then yes, they should be able to do that. Also, while I don't give a crap about NFL players "disrespecting our flag" (which I don't believe they were doing), I think it is well within the right of the NFL to say they can't do that or ANY unapproved protest during the game or pregame. the NFL was losing fans and dollars over that, and that's not fair to it. I used to work for companies, and they had rules like that...can't do X on company time, etc.
DiscoGary wrote:
IndividualRights101 wrote:
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Republicans / Conservatives believe in individual rights being protected (Liberals agree on this point).
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No they don't. Liberals think that their moral outrage at what you are saying grants them the right to deprive you of your free speech rights. They call it "hate speech", and that's all they need to justify punching you in the face.
Also, I remember when the Hollywood Communist blacklisting days were portrayed as one of the darkest moments in our country's history. Well now we see our Liberal friends justifying exactly that kind of behavior with no concern whatsoever about where it might lead. OK, but they can't call themselves "liberal" anymore.
Most people who claim to be "Conservative" or "Liberal" do not really understand the meaning of the words.
Liberal:
1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.
2. (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
Conservative:
1. holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
You have decided that all "Liberals" are evil and cannot be convinced of any positive quality. You equate it with "Communist" above in a derogatory manner, but probably love the word "Community" when talking about your neighborhood, town, church or whatever.
Does calling news sources "Fake News" and claiming any fact is a lie if it does not agree with your opinion qualify as squelching free speech in your opinion? How about refusing to let certain journalists into the White House to report on government events? Just curious.
Why would anyone care if a liar lost access to the media feed?
He can still purchase a space and sling stuff all he likes, and the alt-intelligensia can still subscribe. Its only the free stuff he's being booted from.
The guy is an idiot and a twit. He should be embarrassed by the rubbish he posts. And as a media professional he should be really embarrassed by the caliber of his audience.
What a bunch of nitwits they are. (Statement not a question). Sandyhook is a fake etc . His followers are morons.
omygoodnes wrote:
Why would anyone care if a liar lost access to the media feed?
He can still purchase a space and sling stuff all he likes, and the alt-intelligensia can still subscribe. Its only the free stuff he's being booted from.
The guy is an idiot and a twit. He should be embarrassed by the rubbish he posts. And as a media professional he should be really embarrassed by the caliber of his audience.
What a bunch of nitwits they are. (Statement not a question). Sandyhook is a fake etc . His followers are morons.
Exactly! The guy makes a living by peddling lies. These alt-right media types have simply figured out that they can make easy money by selling lies to people eager to believe those lies.
DG: I'll defend Nazis until my death. Liberals do better.
Liberals: Nazis shouldn't have a platform to spread hate. Racism and white supremacy needs to be called out.
DG: Just leave them alone and let them build their message.
What is this a Nazis recruiting plan? Nazis need to be stopped and know that their ideas have zero traction.
It is ridiculous to think Nazis were provoked in Charlottesville. Nazis deserve zero sympathy. White supremacists act violently both in ideology and in what they do. Their predisposition is spreading harm. Do not give me they were provoked. If they show their faces in public they are causing harm to others. They are never provoked.
Again, Brojos use your subjectivity powers and tells me why this thread exists on a running website. Why does your all white male audience need to see someone attacking a private company shutting down a bigot and defending white supremacy. You choose what this website looks like.
ayyyyyyy wrote:
DG: I'll defend Nazis until my death. Liberals do better.
Liberals: Nazis shouldn't have a platform to spread hate. Racism and white supremacy needs to be called out.
DG: Just leave them alone and let them build their message.
What is this a Nazis recruiting plan? Nazis need to be stopped and know that their ideas have zero traction.
It is ridiculous to think Nazis were provoked in Charlottesville. Nazis deserve zero sympathy. White supremacists act violently both in ideology and in what they do. Their predisposition is spreading harm. Do not give me they were provoked. If they show their faces in public they are causing harm to others. They are never provoked.
Again, Brojos use your subjectivity powers and tells me why this thread exists on a running website. Why does your all white male audience need to see someone attacking a private company shutting down a bigot and defending white supremacy. You choose what this website looks like.
Don’t lump us in with you. As Flagpole pointed out, Nazis have the right to free speech so long as it isn’t inciting violence.
Crapola wrote:
Fatboy, does he have to actually verbalize the words to incite crazy leftist fringe sjws ?
Wait, what? Dude said that Harris should be dropped for "trying to instigate groups to demand its [his religion] dissolution across the country." I, having read several of his books and listened to most of his podcasts, don't remember ever hearing him say anything remotely close to that. So I asked for an example, and then you said "does he actually have to verbalize the words?"
So now we're suggesting that people be dropped from broadcasting mediums for things they don't even say? Also, you are aware that the leftist fringe sjws you mention absolutely HATE Sam Harris, right?
bb8 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Wow. I can not either. I would have guessed 58-60. He looks like hell for a 44 year old.
I thought surely it was a joke that Jones was only 44. Holy Crap! Flagpole is right. Jones looks 60 years old.
The guy is probably being poisoned...would be nothing new..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569247/Ukraines-ex-president-recalls-poisoning-14-years-ago.htmlHead ventilation and shallow ditch.
iejzriej wrote:
Disgusting how they are trying to silence him.
https://www.infowars.com/patriots-rally-behind-infowars-amid-techs-total-communist-censorship/
how can a private company be "communist?" that doesn't make any sense.
Brojos suck dicks
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